jb
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Post by jb on Feb 21, 2011 17:48:26 GMT
Are there any plans turn it blue again this year or is it going to be a differant colour?
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Post by dan on Mar 1, 2011 15:03:25 GMT
Should we have a boat at Knotford incase fish get snagged or weeded up?? Definetely not mate. Potentially far too dangerous. All boats have been banned on CEMEX waters following two deaths a few years ago of two competentanglers that went out whilst under the influence and drowned. Sad loss of life. I DO NOT wanting to be pulling bodies from the lake
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Post by dan on Mar 1, 2011 15:08:41 GMT
I definitely think a perimeter/security fence is needed. It doesn't have to look too intrusive, just similiar to what Bradford No. 1 have done, then if we put some trees/hawthorne bushes inside the perimeter it will help it look more natural.
Also I think the lane leading to the water works should be re-fenced and maybe some conifers planted along its length, again just for security but it will also make it look prettier.
We, as members, have the oppotunity to make Knotford even more special than it is now.
We just all need to pull together and don't do anything silly...
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Post by dan on Mar 1, 2011 15:13:54 GMT
I was talking to Frim at the club a week or so ago about Dyofix, James. The reason they didn't put the second dose is was due to the back-lash received.
He pointed out that ideally it needs three doses, 1st) March 2nd) August and the 3rd the following March.
I think if it is going to be done again we should at least let the club complete its full quota of three treatments and see what happens, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Is there really anything lost? but it might just make things slightly more managable for others.
Constructive comments only please?....
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Post by frim on Mar 2, 2011 0:13:00 GMT
Dan the reason it was done in the first place was backlash from members complaining about the weed, tethered thirties, and requests for boats to unsnag fish, Nothings done its Leeds dont care, we do something and Leeds are tossers. I spoke against dyofix at the last meeting simply to give a voice for the carp lads that had let me know over the months that they didnt like it, without a voice against, the lake would already be blue again, but make no mistake more members would prefer to see the weed thinned out, and think the dyofix coarse once started should be finished. Steve
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Post by dan on Mar 2, 2011 13:39:03 GMT
I agree that if the club and members agree to put it back in that the full treatment should be done.
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Post by knowbody on Mar 3, 2011 0:08:35 GMT
OK, sensable time. Long term what do you think will happen? If you kill the weed forever (not going to happen) by reaplying the dye every year, because this is what it will take. Do you honistly think this large body of water will stay weed free forever? And if you manage to keep the weed dead by the use of this stuff what will the fish feed on? all there food is on the weed your going to kill, the fish may be very catchable when there starveing, but look at the place long term. You will never beat the fact that it is a clear water pit with a massive amount of nutrients available to the plants, if they do not use this food supply then alge will. You need to give it time to recover from what you did to it last year. The weed will be worse than ever this year if its a hot summer, but remember your causeing this by killing the shade (weed) and leaving exesive food for alge by not letting the weed grow, not to mention all the nutriants from the decaying weed you killed last year. I thought anglers cared about the enviroment? Seems they care about how easy it is to fill a net. If you are upset that fish are dying because they get hung up in weed, then maybe you should look at what YOUR doing. Not feking a good water up to please yourselfs. Money don't fix everything. Supermarkets are for that.
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Post by dan on Mar 3, 2011 10:50:10 GMT
I agree with your comments about what fish will feed on when there is no weed, Knowbody. However, some members want to be able to fish there easier than they can at the moment, I.E without the weed.
I personally don't want the weed to be removed or thinned out. But I am only 1 member in a club of many.
I do have concerns about the long terms affects, but I can only put my suggestions and ideas forward and hopefully it will lead to constructive comments going forward with people giving their pros and cons.
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Post by dan on Mar 3, 2011 10:51:32 GMT
Are you a regular Knotford angler, Knowbody? If so, do you target just the carp and would you continue to fish it if the weed dissapeared?
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Post by knowbody on Mar 5, 2011 0:14:33 GMT
Dan, The weed is why this water is so good, its full of food, shelter from preditors from above, and most importantly its the start of the whole ecosystem that is Knotford, every time you try to kill it of you just make the place sick. You disrupt and kill the very thing that has made the pit so aluring to you. Can you not see that it's full of big carp, tench, bream, etc because it is so rich? This starts from the bottom, good water and nutrient makes good conditions for good weed growth. Good weed growth makes good conditions for invert's, mollascs, etc. Good food and good water makes good fish, it is the way it is. Now any angler that would like to destroy that just so he can catch a fish on his/her favorite method is a deluded self centered hole in a pig. I would like to grow gold without watering it, it's not going to happen though is it? Why kill the place for the sake of a few MEMBERS that think more about rigs than the fish they are "supposed" to catch? Like I said I thought we liked fish? Not rigs............. What came first the fish or the rig? I used to fish the place but no longer bother. IF YOU WANNA STAB FISH EASY GO TO A WATER THATS FULL OF THEM AND EASY TO CATCH! And stop trying to sanitise real water into what you want it to be. Hell, there is enough dirty ponds in this contry already, WHY do you want more? Rant over, turn it any colour you like. Hopefully the river will sort it in the long run
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2011 20:31:17 GMT
I definitely think a perimeter/security fence is needed. It doesn't have to look too intrusive, just similiar to what Bradford No. 1 have done, then if we put some trees/hawthorne bushes inside the perimeter it will help it look more natural. Also I think the lane leading to the water works should be re-fenced and maybe some conifers planted along its length, again just for security but it will also make it look prettier. We, as members, have the oppotunity to make Knotford even more special than it is now. We just all need to pull together and don't do anything silly... In light of events down stream I think a good secure fence is needed at Knotford.
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2011 20:38:46 GMT
Dan, The weed is why this water is so good, its full of food, shelter from preditors from above, and most importantly its the start of the whole ecosystem that is Knotford, every time you try to kill it of you just make the place sick. You disrupt and kill the very thing that has made the pit so aluring to you. Can you not see that it's full of big carp, tench, bream, etc because it is so rich? This starts from the bottom, good water and nutrient makes good conditions for good weed growth. Good weed growth makes good conditions for invert's, mollascs, etc. Good food and good water makes good fish, it is the way it is. Now any angler that would like to destroy that just so he can catch a fish on his/her favorite method is a deluded self centered hole in a pig. I would like to grow gold without watering it, it's not going to happen though is it? Why kill the place for the sake of a few MEMBERS that think more about rigs than the fish they are "supposed" to catch? Like I said I thought we liked fish? Not rigs............. What came first the fish or the rig? I used to fish the place but no longer bother. IF YOU WANNA STAB FISH EASY GO TO A WATER THATS FULL OF THEM AND EASY TO CATCH! And stop trying to sanitise real water into what you want it to be. Hell, there is enough dirty ponds in this contry already, WHY do you want more? Rant over, turn it any colour you like. Hopefully the river will sort it in the long run Mr Knowbody, I think Dan is just trying to see it from the clubs point of view. We know there are anglers (not just carpers) that would like to fish Knotford but don't or can't because of the weed. Would it really harm the lake so much just to see if the three treatments help with the problem?
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Post by barbelgirl on Mar 6, 2011 21:03:59 GMT
if a fence is to be erected its best to make it otter proof if possible, no point spending good money on a fence to decide a year down the line we need to remake another one >:(their on the way if not there already the club over the road are already well on the way to completing a otter proof fence around the big lake at ripon due to predation and pushing to do the same at their knotford water :)and put a stable up for the clubs horses they look a cold this time of year or sell a few to pay for some conifers n shrubs ;D
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Post by gcb on Mar 6, 2011 21:31:38 GMT
Who would want to go fishing on waters surrounded by 'protective' fences? Not me! Maybe we should install gun turrets at either ends of the lake.
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Post by barbelgirl on Mar 6, 2011 22:23:05 GMT
a fence is surely better than fishing a lake with no fish
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