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Post by phil on Jul 13, 2012 23:55:41 GMT
I was talking to someone who fishes a syndicate where they are. The reason for this is because if they end up in the lake for what ever reason, they are there for ever and can be harmful to the fish! This got me thinking, why haven't more clubs/syndicates followed suit and done the same? What do you think?
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Post by gcb on Jul 14, 2012 19:32:02 GMT
Fish eat snails, caddis etc and seem to get rid of 'em easy enough. Not sure plastic sweetcorn is a problem to them. I hope you are just as keen to keep plastic out of the human environment - never using supermarket bags etc and not sending plastic to landfill.
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Post by phil on Jul 14, 2012 21:30:06 GMT
I have just about every colour corn going, pellets and maggots. Hey I even think a plastic snail stuff with snails paste could be a stunning bait on the right venue, but the fact is I myself have reeled plastic bait in attached to some form of end tackle and on more than one venue. So I think the thinking behind the said syndicate banning plastics is because of how affective it is, but also because it's affective if it's attached to a rig thats attached to a snag and that makes it dangerous to the fish. Don't worry Geoff, I don't throw carrier bags out. Well I do but only when they have poo in after a long shesh of bagging carp!
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Post by phil on Jul 14, 2012 22:20:23 GMT
Fish eat snails, caddis etc and seem to get rid of 'em easy enough. Not sure plastic sweetcorn is a problem to them. I hope you are just as keen to keep plastic out of the human environment - never using supermarket bags etc and not sending plastic to landfill. Fish can crush snails ect up, I think they would have a problem if they did eat plastic corn, for one probably 90% of the stuff sold floats, I also think they would find it a bit chewy! ;D
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Post by jb on Jul 14, 2012 23:36:40 GMT
I can see there point as a snapped off rig will be attractive to a fish but I think its abit extreme they may as well ban hooks. I know a club that doesn't allow dehyrated pet food but vitalin is ok to use peanuts are fine and any other bait imaginable but for some reason they don't like dog biscuits I feel an ill thought out rule that they can't realy justify but they have there reasons. Plastic baits are great as the can't be left rotting in big piles that has been left un eaten and poisoning the lake just a flip side. Perhaps lakes should ban hooks then all will be ok and we can sit next to the lakes all day and watch the wildlife and them fury creatures eat all the fish.
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Post by phil on Jul 17, 2012 8:08:26 GMT
Fish can crush snails ect up, I think they would have a problem if they did eat plastic corn, for one probably 90% of the stuff sold floats, I also think they would find it a bit chewy! ;D nah mate they wouldnt swallow the plastic ... the palatal taste oragan at the top of the mouth traps the food and any thing else is rejected .... Over 95% of everything a carp picks up is rejected ... Think the biggest concern would be if you cracked of and left a live rig out . I knew that, was just having a bit of a laugh with Geoff. The Korda underwater DVD's are quite good, got me thinking anyway!
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Post by phil on Jul 17, 2012 8:14:45 GMT
I can see there point as a snapped off rig will be attractive to a fish but I think its abit extreme they may as well ban hooks. I know a club that doesn't allow dehyrated pet food but vitalin is ok to use peanuts are fine and any other bait imaginable but for some reason they don't like dog biscuits I feel an ill thought out rule that they can't realy justify but they have there reasons. Plastic baits are great as the can't be left rotting in big piles that has been left un eaten and poisoning the lake just a flip side. Perhaps lakes should ban hooks then all will be ok and we can sit next to the lakes all day and watch the wildlife and them fury creatures eat all the fish. In a few years time you'll be able to buy boxes of Meow mix with a picture of an otter on! Probably be able to feed them in Otley park just like the ducks!
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Post by gcb on Jul 17, 2012 20:27:21 GMT
Pieces of plastic sweetcorn can pass through the intestinal tract. They can also regurgitate plastic items through the gills or spit them out.
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Post by phil on Jul 17, 2012 21:46:59 GMT
I would of thought it would of been a couple chews and out it goes!
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Post by alongchuck on Jul 18, 2012 18:40:48 GMT
hmmmm im thinking about it
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Post by alongchuck on Jul 20, 2012 21:37:31 GMT
it would be interesting to know how much fake corn is littering the lake beds in the future the ea might take steps to ban it if it starts to be come a nationwide problem how long does it take to break down and what effect on the enviroment does this have i understand why it was banned on the syndicate i would just make my own from pop up mix because that breaks down without harm to the enviroment and would go soft after a couple of days and the small fish would probably peck away at it until it was gone
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Post by frim on Aug 27, 2012 13:09:25 GMT
Isn't plastic corn used simply because it's easy ? It must be coz all its benefits can be achieved using naturals, if its down to not breaking down then just use uncooked maize ( it will stay on weeks) if it's coloure then dye it. As for it littering lake beds, if it is then they are not using it as diet or they would have eaten the stuff, i would bet plastic bags and bottles are a bigger problem if its environment we are worrying about. Getting broke and leaving plastic on a hook ! whats the difference between getting broke when spinning and leaving a lump of copper ( that doesn't rot either) ? How much plastic gets lost from end tackles? a couple of shock beads or a dozen or so boilie stops have just the same impact. It could go on and on but be care full if everything in angling has to be biodegradable were finished. PS The comment on biscuits been barred ( probably aimed at Knotford) its a daft rule but not one angler has tried to change it. The lads up there know the score if they want to fish em change the rule "simples"
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Post by timr on Aug 27, 2012 20:26:55 GMT
For me the introduction of the artificial baits has revolutionised my fishing for Tench, Bream and Barbel and I can say without a shadow of doubt that banning these baits would drastically effect my catch rate. For instance when using casters I'd be constantly worried that small fish had removed my hookbait causing me to recast more regularly and potentially spook the fish in front of me.
I can present artificials in ways that I simply can't present real baits and so influential has this been that ive watched tench pick up my hookbait amongst several pints of loose feed within the first few mouthfulls!
Don't get me wrong if there were any evidence that these baits effected the health of fish I'd be clamouring for a ban myself however all the evidence points to the contrary. By the way most of these baits float so there's little chance of a bait littering the lake bed unless it is still attached to a rig and as long as innadequate tackle isn't used (now there's a thought for a ban) this is unlikely to happen!
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Post by specimenhunter on Aug 27, 2012 21:41:39 GMT
Cant be that bad.....coz hooks get swallowed all the time and some idiots decide to cut the line instead of removing the hook but it is sed that fish either shed it or it passes through...so plastics shouldn't be any more harm than a hook or the EA would officaily ban them if they new it caused real harm.....right?
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Post by knowbody on Aug 30, 2012 1:22:55 GMT
who cares, only stupid fish are daft enough to eat em!
if people ate them, ......................then there stupid too.
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