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Post by kpkh on Aug 10, 2014 15:19:51 GMT
It's leeds duty as a club to look after it's members and the waters they fish. This scheme would be damaging to both, you can't change something in a river and it not have a knock on effect downstream. How would leeds feel if another club was in control and was going to profit financially from possibly damaging stretches below. Leeds will make a lot of enemies if this goes ahead, there are lots of anglers in the north east. What do leeds stand to gain here, a car park and a few quid in its pocket. From what I know Topcliffe isn't exactly the longest walk in the book. So it's a no brainer for me, refuse permission, it's too much risk for no gain.
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Post by av1nbarb3l on Aug 10, 2014 16:08:42 GMT
im heading to topcliffe tomorrow afternoon for a session after work ill catch hold of some locals from the mill let them know what were trying to do also simon has a mate who lives in toppy ill text him see what he can do
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Post by av1nbarb3l on Aug 10, 2014 16:25:58 GMT
just rang cundall lodge and told them of hydro thingy and they didnt seem too concerned said they would take a look at the plans but said environment agency would not allow something to go in the river if would be detrimental to fish waiting for bradford city getting back to me all we can do is inform clubs and let them make a choice of informing leeds of their dissaproval
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Post by gcb on Aug 10, 2014 18:35:25 GMT
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Post by rushy on Aug 10, 2014 20:17:11 GMT
Interesting report that Geoff - here it is to save you going through the web link : The Angling Trust has raised concerns that the Community Energy Strategy announced by Energy Minister Ed Davey today, coupled with the already generous Feed in Tariffs offered by government, will lead to a fresh wave of applications for planning permission for hydropower turbines from community groups that could do great damage to fisheries for many decades to come. In response, the Trust has published a free guidance document to community groups and developers to provide practical advice about how to reduce the impact of hydropower on fish and other wildlife. The Angling Trust has reviewed hundreds of applications for hydropower schemes in recent years and its experts have concluded that the majority of them would have a detrimental impact on the ecology of rivers. It has successfully objected to numerous schemes and Fish Legal, which acts as the Angling Trust’s legal arm in England, even managed to get a legal injunction to stop a major hydropower project going ahead last year on the River Trent. The Trust has also battled successfully over the past four years with the Salmon & Trout Association to get new guidelines introduced by the Environment Agency which should reduce the scale and number of schemes coming forward. According to Government figures, the maximum amount of electricity that could be generated by all of the 26,000 sites which have potential for run of river hydropower would be less than 0.5% of national electricity demand, and in practice it will be much less than this because many schemes would be unfeasible. The Angling Trust has repeatedly questioned whether it makes sense to support hydropower with public subsidy when it can do great damage to fisheries and yet generates so little power on a national scale. Many community groups have spent considerable time and money developing plans for schemes which have turned out to be unfeasible. For example, North Devon Council wasted almost £150,000 on the development of plans for a community scheme on the East Lyn in North Devon to install a new concrete weir to generate hydropower. With one of the last healthy salmon populations in England, this beautiful river is a Site of Special Scientific Interest and the scheme was axed. Other community groups who have managed to get permission to develop have been disappointed when the financial returns promised by consultants has failed to materialise. Mark Lloyd, chief executive of the Angling Trust said: “We are very concerned that these grants will lead to another wave of damaging and pointless hydropower developments that will damage our fisheries for generations. Our advice document is aimed at communities who are motivated to do their bit to save the planet from climate change, but who might not be aware that their schemes might actually do more harm to the environment than good. The Angling Trust wants to avoid communities’ good intentions leading to unintended consequences and urges them to look at other ways of generating power than hydropower.”
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Post by gcb on Aug 10, 2014 20:23:07 GMT
Cheers rushy but as I'm over 45 I've only got the techie ability of a 6 yr old apparently mmmmmm!
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Post by nightline on Aug 10, 2014 22:02:22 GMT
The forum thread is gathering momentum all the time with officers of the club making their feelings clear which is unprecedented and members creating an on line petition (it does not need to be year book holders you just have to be a registered forum user on the Leeds ADASA forum to vote). Many day ticket anglers who love this particular part of the Swale should have the right to their say if they are registered on the forum.
In the scheme of things an angling club’s forum would not normally hold great sway but its members know that without the club’s support regarding a lease it cannot go ahead as they own this land. This thread is also gaining momentum on both Yorkshire fishing. net and BFW. There are a lot of day ticket anglers and individual year book holders throughout the North and beyond who hold this particular stretch of the Swale in high regard .
In this instance I feel it to be at the very heart because it is something that can really influence the outcome and happily it is the crucial piece of the jigsaw for the applicant.
I feel objection through the normal process to be a lesser option, years of experience has left me with no faith at all in the EA as protectors of our fisheries. They rarely act decisively regarding politically complicated impacts on fisheries notwithstanding the powers they hold courtesy of the Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries act. The planning gain of a fish pass is enough for them to stand aside whilst making a few perfunctory remarks and ‘advising’ this or that.
The fisheries assessment is a bland homogeny with little conclusive detail, which neither supports nor objects to the scheme. Mr Mann of Mann Power Consulting the private company employed by the UK Hydro ltd to present the project is I understand also a director of Fishtek Consulting who carried out the fisheries assessment though I have to say that as yet in my investigations I have been unable to confirm this. Even Sylvia Jay in her Otter survey has not stood in the way which will surprise many but being contentious is not necessarily a good thing when further commissions are in the offing! Private individuals outside the club even those who do not hold a year book can influence this and we can stop it.
Duncan
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Post by jason on Aug 10, 2014 22:38:05 GMT
I believe there to be other issues that come along with this scheme that have not been covered on this thread as yet.One of them being the social issue.With the site being in such close proximity to residential dwellings.Have any considerations been taken for the residents.The scheme will almost certainly have some negative impact them.Be it noise or the fact it will be creating an eyesore outside the homes of (as we own the land) our neighbours. Below is a mock up of what we could see if the thoughts of these people are not taken into consideration. Jason Jaso
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Post by stanfish on Aug 11, 2014 10:29:24 GMT
hi guys i have posted a message on the other thread,not under pressure but to give a account of what has happened over the last 2 years. stan
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Post by nightline on Aug 11, 2014 11:17:42 GMT
hi guys i have posted a message on the other thread,not under pressure but to give a account of what has happened over the last 2 years. stan I have just been informed by a contact that the EA determination report states that a Lease does exist between LADASA and UK Hydro Power (A Contract) I have not had site of this but if this is the case, it is not what the delegates agreed to and not the remit they instructed the President to follow. Can we the Forum Members now have a direct question answered by the senior Trustee Graham Park Gen Sec and the President Stan Jeffreys. Has there been an emergency meeting of the Trustees at which they signed a document which constitutes a LEASE which is now in the hands of the Solicitor. If this is the case is it a right of access over the clubs land that’s been given surely progress with construction has not? If this is the case we have been duped though we are all guilty of neglect in not making our presence felt. Duncan
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Post by david1 on Aug 11, 2014 14:50:27 GMT
Having carefully read (several times) all the comments on this thread, I believe all the information posted gives enough evidence to indicate there is an unacceptable risk to going ahead with the proposed hydro scheme. A big thank you to all who have thoroughly researched, and made that information available on this forum. also well done to the initiative taken by forum members to obtain a broader consensus of opinion. the opinions from other web sites, and of members of other clubs, day ticket anglers etc. on the Lower Swale must be taken into account. Thanks Graham for making your position clear it is too great a risk to contemplate.
Stan when you eventually stand down as President of Leeds A.S.A. you don`t want your legacy to angling and preservation being remembered for ever by being a spearhead in any action that could lead to a decline in this wonderful river. If the scheme goes ahead and has a detrimental effect on the Lower Swale I dread to think of the bad publicity the club would receive both on social media and in the press. accusing fingers will be pointed everywhere.
Dave
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Post by jason on Aug 11, 2014 15:13:49 GMT
Just to clarify Stan,I'm not suggesting you are under pressure at the moment.The front page mock up was an example of what could easily happen if this scheme goes ahead.
Jason
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Post by kevrich on Aug 11, 2014 17:20:05 GMT
Totally against this, done lots of research recently on this, just not worth the risk in an environment that is already vulnerable.
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Post by shaun39 on Aug 11, 2014 18:37:49 GMT
had to post about this, i live in hull and one of these electric type companies went bust and left an eyesore near the deep aqaurium for 2 years that the locals were totally sick of.secondly with something this important ALL members of leeds should have been sent a ballot type questionaire at the very begining to see how the grass root members felt. thirdly ok leeds might get some money back although that could be very little and a car park to save anglers walking not too far across a field big deal, how much will leeds lose in books sold if the fishing is affected in the long run, i for one only buy a leeds book for topcliffe . fourth , what an attitude to alienate oneself to other members of leeds to state that forum members dont mean anything to change decisions.fifth, this leeds and district commitee or decision makers seem to keep information and decisions so close to their chest its like dealing with mi5, be very carefull with your attitude leeds because i for one can fish the parish at topcliffe and with bradford city getting more waters not too far away i and others may get fed up the way you look at your members
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Post by gcb on Aug 12, 2014 13:38:46 GMT
We can get our opposition to this heard by writing a comment to the planning application at Harrogate Council here. Letters opposing the application are beginning to appear. Lets add plenty more. uniformonline.harrogate.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=N8I7ZXHY64000One of the comments already there is interesting " The proposed site would mean that an active resting site for the local otters be destroyed which as again is stated in their own reports that this is illegal due to the resting sites been PROTECTED BY LAW" Maybe the otter is our friend after all!. It could be a good idea to contact Natural England about the proposal.
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