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Post by gcb on Jan 30, 2015 14:03:53 GMT
Lots of interest in chub on this website. For anyone interested my favorite chub rig and baits are now on my blog. Hope it may be of use to somebody. www.gcblakesley.blogspot.co.uk |
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Post by nige_LS7 on Jan 31, 2015 11:04:22 GMT
Fascinating stuff Geoff thanks.
A hypothetical question for you though - if there were definitely no chance of catching a barbel, would the rig change much if you had to target chub only?
Would you still tend to use a hair rig?
Would you still use a fluorocarbon hook length? Would it still be 40" ?
Would you be less likely to use pellets?
Thanks for any info,
Nige
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Post by gcb on Jan 31, 2015 15:39:41 GMT
Hi Nige - if I have learned anything in over 50 yrs fishing it's that there are no hard and fast rules!
It's rare in Yorkshire to find rivers that contain chub with no chance of barbel but to answer your question I wouldn't change my tactics if after big chub but I would go back to 4 - 6 lb if I was after a big net of chub, say in a match. But I don't match fish.
Most of the time I use a hair rig but I do go straight through with big baits. You could fit a golf ball into a big chub's mouth so with a big lump of paste, bread or meat I go straight through to a size 2,4 or 6 hook.
Yes - I always use fluorocarbon.I have complete faith in frog hair fluorocarbon. I discovered its merits many years ago as a trout angle when it was rare to see it used by coarse anglers. For reason given I prefer longhooklengths. I don't use them in floodwater or if tight to a snag or overhanging bush or tree.
Well I caught that chub on pellets and I've caught plenty on halibut pellets. I tend to rotate pellet,paste, bread or meat until I find what they fancy. If I don't catch after half an hour I start to ring the changes. Hope this helps
geoff
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Post by nige_LS7 on Jan 31, 2015 16:25:59 GMT
I suppose the reason I asked the 'no barbel' question is that for now I've decided to mainly target chub and to avoid disappointment I'll think of the possibility of a barbel as an unlikely bonus until I improve my skills - especially skills in finding the likely swims - and until I get more regular access to better stretches.
I shall definitely try fluorocarbon & longer hook lengths, though, as well as spending a bit more on better quality hooks whether hair-rigged or not.
Thanks for the advice - I'm enjoying the blog.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Feb 1, 2015 11:32:16 GMT
So I've just spent more on ebay than I meant to but I've upgraded my end rigs with some 8lb frog hair. £8.75 incl. P&P not too bad. Was torn between that and the 6lb, might end up getting the latter as well. I just can't think of meself as an 11.5 lb hook length man.... yet!
Also got some decent Drennan Super Specialist hooks (the Super Barbel will have to wait), tungsten putty, camo leads and a pva mesh bag kit ....
This is a far cry from the Woolies tackle of 1974 eh?
Loook out chub here I come.
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Post by gcb on Feb 1, 2015 14:44:33 GMT
Sounds like they've no chance - go get 'em Nige! If you fail on the Leeds waters try Ripon around North Bridge where I got mine. Excellent chub water and you can fish it on day ticket.
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Post by cabbo on Feb 1, 2015 18:38:33 GMT
Like the blog Geoff ,some good reading mate keep up the good work .
Cabbo
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Post by gcb on Feb 1, 2015 21:10:06 GMT
Chears cabbo - would be great to see you again - hopefully away from the Leeds Circus - pm me.
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Post by rushy on Feb 1, 2015 22:57:09 GMT
Chears cabbo - would be great to see you again - hopefully away from the Leeds Circus - pm me. Would that be the same Leeds Circus whose Forum you are posting on Geoff   |
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Post by grayson on Feb 2, 2015 10:52:31 GMT
Well if nothing else the rigs shown illustrate the fact that there is often more than one answer to a question. My winter chub rig is a short hooklength (10" or less) of 8lb Reflo(same diameter as Froghair and cheaper ) and a size 4 Drennan widegape . I have never felt the need to use a hair for chub and big baits (cheese , crust,flake or worm ) work for me no matter how cold it gets
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Post by rushy on Feb 2, 2015 11:47:43 GMT
Well if nothing else the rigs shown illustrate the fact that there is often more than one answer to a question. My winter chub rig is a short hooklength (10" or less) of 8lb Reflo(same diameter as Froghair and cheaper ) and a size 4 Drennan widegape . I have never felt the need to use a hair for chub and big baits (cheese , crust,flake or worm ) work for me no matter how cold it gets I'm with you Grayson. Nothing complicated . 7 pound mono straight through , 2 foot "hook length" max , feeder and a size 6 Drennan Super Specialist. Bait always goes direct onto the hook . . old Mr Chub loves plucking at bait on hair rigs and as the Chub picks the bait up rather than sucking it in as the Barbel does, you've got a good chance of driving yourself insane striking everytime he picks the bait up on the hair but doesn't take the hook  |
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Post by cabbo on Feb 2, 2015 20:02:50 GMT
Just shows we all have our favourite methods and favourite lines and hooks,all must work or we wouldn't use them but its always good to see other people's opinions.
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Post by rushy on Feb 2, 2015 20:26:43 GMT
Just shows we all have our favourite methods and favourite lines and hooks,all must work or we wouldn't use them but its always good to see other people's opinions. I've often thought about all these theories Andy , especially the Barbelly ones. Long hook lengths , putty to nail,it to the bottom etc. I would think 90% of the Barbel I Got last year were all on a 2 foot hook length or shorter . . . And the reason for the two foot length . . . . Have you seen the price of that Flouro and sink braid As you say, we all have the methods we are confident in and I'm sure they all have their merits on the day |
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Post by cabbo on Feb 2, 2015 20:49:19 GMT
Never used braid Dave always stuck to maxima a line I have faith in and in my opinion take some beating now and then will put a reflo hooklength on .
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Post by Eddie on Feb 2, 2015 21:31:04 GMT
I never really had a Chubb rig as such, just rigs that suit the bait I would be using. I like braided hook lengths and use them quite a lot for barbel, but they catch plenty of Chubb too. It's the suppleness in higher breaking strains and the fact its simple to use a hair rig set up. Length of hook length 2/ 2 1/2 feet, it starts to get awkward to cast with bankside vegetation going longer! I have found a hair rig to work quite well for Chubb, but I do fish a fairly big semi fixed lead, the Chubb hook themselves. If I set out to fish just for Chubb, I would fish much lighter and with a nylon hook length, no need to make things complicated, big baits tend to get Chubb past being tackle shy. So if I am fishing meat or boilie, its usually braid and hair rig. Bread, worm or paste, on the hook and nylon, as I said I fish the rigs to best present the bait I am using. The real secret is to find a good Chubb swim most tactics will put you in with a fair chance then!
Eddie.
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