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Post by rushy on Apr 9, 2015 20:53:34 GMT
Thought this might make an interesting thread in light of Niges recent experience. Up until the other week I have never in 40 years of fishing asked anyone for their book. I went up to Carpvale on the opening week and walked round the whole complex and asked all 12 anglers for their books. Quite unnerving at first and it got my heart racing a little but it was amazing how friendly the anglers are and not one objected to showing their book. the hardest part was breaking away from the conversation and moving on. I will certainly be checking books on my river jaunts next season
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Post by Eddie on Apr 9, 2015 21:12:55 GMT
Dave it's an excellent way to find out who's catching what from where and I think most members are glad the waters are being looked after and don't mind a pleasant request to show their book and a quick chat. But like you, I did think twice about what reaction I was likely to get. I suppose the real test is when having to pull someone who is poaching or committing some other offence. We've seen the reaction Tom(charlyfarly) got when asking a angler to stop fishing after dark and the bailiff assaulted at wintersett! It makes you think when approaching an angler. Leeds do provide a handbook of guidelines for bailiffs, which helps a bit.
Eddie.
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Post by rushy on Apr 9, 2015 21:21:14 GMT
Dave it's an excellent way to find out who's catching what from where and I think most members are glad the waters are being looked after and don't mind a pleasant request to show their book and a quick chat. But like you, I did think twice about what reaction I was likely to get. I suppose the real test is when having to pull someone who is poaching or committing some other offence. We've seen the reaction Tom(charlyfarly) got when asking a angler to stop fishing after dark and the bailiff assaulted at wintersett! It makes you think when approaching an angler. Leeds do provide a handbook of guidelines for bailiffs, which helps a bit. Eddie. Should come in handy that book Eddie when a big ugly bruiser tells you to,. . . . . . . . . . . !!!! ?? " Err yes sir , if you could just bear with me and refrain from chucking me in the river for a minute while I consult my book "
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Post by nige_LS7 on Apr 9, 2015 21:40:47 GMT
We could have some training down at the club maybe! Bit of a role play.
Opening gambit, then what to say when he says what.
On Sunday for example, I just started by asking him about the Leeds limits, to find out if he was a member/on a day ticket. He gave me such a detailed and accurate response about the various Leeds lengths at Middleham that it completely threw me from my "I know more about the rules than you" mentality, and off I went, just hoping that my staring at his 2 rods while asking him that question had had some impact on his enjoyment of the day.
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Post by johnboy66 on Apr 9, 2015 21:52:06 GMT
Dave it's an excellent way to find out who's catching what from where and I think most members are glad the waters are being looked after and don't mind a pleasant request to show their book and a quick chat. But like you, I did think twice about what reaction I was likely to get. I suppose the real test is when having to pull someone who is poaching or committing some other offence. We've seen the reaction Tom(charlyfarly) got when asking a angler to stop fishing after dark and the bailiff assaulted at wintersett! It makes you think when approaching an angler. Leeds do provide a handbook of guidelines for bailiffs, which helps a bit. Eddie. Should come in handy that book Eddie when a big ugly bruiser tells you to,. . . . . . . . . . . !!!! ?? " Err yes sir , if you could just bear with me and refrain from chucking me in the river for a minute while I consult my book " Yh just my look !!! first Angler Hy-up Lad does tha have a members book
Whack Bang Splash, ho dear I`m in the drink,
I keep in stealth mode
look, listen and observe.
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Post by patterdalewilson on Apr 9, 2015 23:23:22 GMT
Definitely , have done for ages but only when the angler in question looks or sounds iffy. Fortunately I have never come across any illegals and always have found the anglers happy to produce their books. I would not do this whilst fishing alone but my regular fishing buddy is never far away.
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Post by dranv8 on Apr 10, 2015 5:06:29 GMT
I always ask to see books if I don't recognise the person and for some strange reason I always get a positive response never had any grief of anyone so far;-)
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Post by Eddie on Apr 10, 2015 7:55:07 GMT
One of Leeds most active bailiffs, is about five and a half feet tall, a retired gentleman and doesn't even drive. But each gp meeting he has reports on the waters he has visited and anglers books he has checked. I don't think he's ever been thrown in! So there must be something to the techniques he employs and probably most anglers approached are just reasonable human beings.
Eddie.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Apr 10, 2015 10:53:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 11:53:18 GMT
I don't really see the point on rivers because there isn't a lot you can do even if a scally turned round and said he isn't a member ,but it's a bit different on still waters where chances are there would be a few members about then peer pressure would be enough to make the scally move on ! . I'm a big lad who can more than look after myself but why would I want the hassle when all I want is to wet a line and catch a fish or two . Chances are that anybody that fishes without a book on rivers are local to the area in question and just looks like any other angler so I imagine they are not easy to identify . That being said I would have no objection to anybody asking for my book as long as they respected my swim and didn't come into it especially on tight rivers like the nidd, because if no respect or steath were used in my swim then we would have a fall out
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Post by rushy on Apr 10, 2015 13:24:06 GMT
Well , it just goes to show, I always thought it illegal to take Barbel , Chub etc out of the river but apparently not . . . unless I'm reading it wrong ? Barbel, chub, common bream, common carp, crucian carp, dace, perch, pike, roach, rudd, silver bream, smelt or tench (including any hybrids of these species) – up to 15 fish per day of less than 20cm
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Post by gcb on Apr 10, 2015 18:19:55 GMT
Yea that's right dave - seems stupid to me and I think it is best keeping it quiet. Maybe it is to provide livebaits for pikers - I don't know. That is why it makes me laugh when folk talk about various ethnic groups taking fish from the rivers - as you can see it is perfectly allowable if the size limits and obtaining the rod license are in order.
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Post by bra1n on Apr 10, 2015 19:37:04 GMT
Yea that's right dave - seems stupid to me and I think it is best keeping it quiet. Maybe it is to provide livebaits for pikers - I don't know. That is why it makes me laugh when folk talk about various ethnic groups taking fish from the rivers - as you can see it is perfectly allowable if the size limits and obtaining the rod license are in order. Unless the club rules prohibit it which in Leeds ASA's case means only 2 Trout and 2 Grayling above 10" may be taken anything else (including poaching) would fall foul of the law Taking of fish offence
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Post by gcb on Apr 10, 2015 20:32:53 GMT
So you refer us to another article and also mention Leeds rules. Dave brought up the EA rules - is there no wonder that regular fishermen can't keep up with whatever is currently pertinent? And also why there are more loopholes than in Jimbobs 10 yr roof guarantees !!
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Post by Eddie on Apr 10, 2015 20:44:54 GMT
Buy a Leeds book, read the rules, sign your book and you have agreed to them simple.
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