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Post by knowbody on Nov 25, 2010 23:36:09 GMT
Mr k, Your at it again ;D assuming and presuming what I am responsible for, only for the past 3/4 years have I been in a position to be included in decision making. Most of the old guard are dead mate "move on" One thing I will take credit for though, is in those few years I have insisted on getting rid of the old secret service, opening up information to members, and bringing a few new ideas and professionalism to some committees that didn't like it. Opinions are just opinions, but you cant be pulled up for telling the truth. The stocking table was copied from old bits of paper exactly as they were wrote down, I don't fib and would have expected someone of your intelligence to see that I did of give sizes and species when the information was available "Crucians, trout, barbel, chub, tench, big bream, and the dreaded carp, for everyones information I have since found out that the mixed coarse fish all came from our stock ponds at Temple Newsham and consisted of mainly roach skimmers perch gudgeon and tench. You assume and suggest that anyone in fisheries management or anglers in general that don't fit in with you, want to kill the 22 pounder or knock all pike on the head "they don't mate" Your hate and blame the carp for everything attitude is just as misguided as those that think pike will eat themselves out of house and home. The big females in Sandwath are a must for the fishery, but the extra large numbers of Jacks are not, the balance is all wrong and we don't have 10 years on the half chance it will put its self right, maybe a drain down and start again is the answer. (only an opinion) Steve Frim, There you go assuming, my coments on my last post were directed at Bizz, he seemed to have a bad sence of balence, this could only be that way if you were fibbing about the stocking. I've said it before, but I think you are a breath of fresh air as angling forums go. Why so quick on the defencive? As I've said before I aggree there is to many small pike in there, I don't aggree with how you propose to deal with this. By the way I like fishing for carp, but I understand the fish and what else they entail. I hate nothing, it's a waste of energy. Let's pretend........ you have a small pond full of lots of pike of all sizes, mostly small job's in the 3 to 6lb class. They are like this because they are overfead and the bigger ones killed by well meaning anglers. So lets take all those 3 to 6lb fish out of the eqasion (or as many as we can) Next year the remaining pike spawn, now with no 3 to 6lb fish there to eat them they grow on without being noticed in masive numbers for a year or two. They are even encoraged by the vast amount of fry sized silvers. Meanwhile the big girls you left in there now have to turn there atentions to the tench bream etc because you took there food away. (3 to 6lb jacks) The fishing has been good without the pesky pike for a couple of years so more stock is put in to make it even better. I'll bet your plans will be tempory at best. You will not win unless you work with it. By the way I don't care if you kill every fish in the pond, I'm not here to save a few undersized pike. I think you all don't realy get were I'm comeing from. Endpegger, your post is what I expect when it comes to todays anglers, mostly selfish. If it's not what you want it must be wrong. Keep sitting on them puddles mate Jerseyman, when you up again? I only exept box's if there full of fish Geoff, We realy should arange a day out with them two other missfits Stan, I think if it's a challenge it's too hard. Most new anglers seem to think all waters should fish like Woodlands.
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Post by endpegger on Nov 26, 2010 8:48:20 GMT
seems mr k you are having trouble reading the posts !!no one is going to sandwath reason very hard to catch especially through the day !! now most people nowadays not medieval times when you were a lad dont have the time to sit it out till dusk ,so the lakes need to be tailored to this to get em to buy books!!!! .its all pretty simple give the public what they want ,used to be nice to have village shops personal service a smile and a cheery word,then came asda tescos etc same sort of senario if you think about it guess who sells the most beans ? todays clubs need to get to grips with the modern day anglers needs or guess what no members .our shining star is kippax park a brilliant example of what happens when forward thinking members of the club get involved ,and what did some of the old dinosaurs try to do get the open matches banned the very thing that made them money .ring any bells
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Post by gcb on Nov 26, 2010 8:51:27 GMT
I haven't got round to getting a key - how do you get one? Sorry I'm sure frim did tell me once. geoff
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Post by jerseyman on Nov 26, 2010 9:15:28 GMT
To be fair Endpegger, your 2nd post is a very good point, clubs have to appeal to the majority ,if they are restricted to a few water. Leeds have a plethora of waters, all different, and capable of appealing to all anglers. Turning what has been a fantastic water in the past, into a clone of either kippax or a similar type water is unlikely to generate either more income or members.The inital set up cost and maintenence would be high and the income minimal. Stans post ,alluding tp fish vanishing out of the gate,is interesting, but still doesn#t address the missing year classes. Frim did mention getting some scales to read, but he would better off getting the fish themselves and doing the teeth to clarify how old the small fish are, in the spring and then you can answer wether those "small" fish are actual your breeding stock and as such actually maintaining what little you have got. Just a thought ?
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Post by bizz on Nov 26, 2010 13:01:49 GMT
bang on enpegger, i think leeds own the lake and land why not change it to what the majority want. ive fished sandwath since 85 it looks the same now as it did then, a brickpit pond with fallin down stands in the middle of some derelict land, spend a few thou of the catterick dosh and make a mini estate lake, lilley pads rushes a few weepie willows some big tench and bream some crucians and a big roach or two. oh dear i forgot were misfits and it cant be done lets pretend if its left alone it will all come good. i like the look of wot they have done at kippax park but dont want another wots wrong with my idea.
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Post by bizz on Nov 26, 2010 13:08:31 GMT
and while im in my box nobody stop been a patronising tw.t
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Post by endpegger on Nov 26, 2010 17:03:11 GMT
that sounds like a good idea to me biz nice to have a change maybe just a few carp though lol. pity it could not be like the old tench lake at the whelham fishery now that was a venue .its just people nowadays like to go and catch because of time restraints and no mile walks the commercial type fisheries are the way forward. does not really matter about the species take ide for instance a great fish imo .the decline in our rivers drove the anglers on to the commies and guess what they are not coming back ,so lets make em good and you will start selling books again simples ;D ;D
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Post by grahampark on Nov 26, 2010 18:27:47 GMT
Hi Bizz When we sold the Catterick complex i posted several times that it was our intentions to use some of the income to improof society owned stillwaters and that is still the plan, it just takes longer to achieve than first thought but it will happen.
Regards Graham
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Post by knowbody on Nov 26, 2010 22:47:40 GMT
Endpegger, you are right. I was daft enough to think the place you need to catch in 2 hours of your free time was worth anything to anybody that may have more time to spare, sorry, my thoughts go out to you and your money. Bizz, What can I say? (don't wanna be a condisending t*wt) Frim, can you tell me the point of this forum? You asked for opinions on the nettings, but it would seem you know what your going to do anyway. I don't get why you bother unless the next big comersial is in the offing? are you looking for a pat on the back before the work is done, a bit of reasurance that every member is wanting what biz and end want? Why not just have a match forum to save us all from wasteing £40 if we like fishing for fishings sake? Sorry Frim, but from were I'm sitting this looks like poland in 1939. Sorry for thinking differently I will learn............
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Post by endpegger on Nov 27, 2010 7:50:23 GMT
its called family commitments mr k putting others before yourself you may want to try it sometime .just on one other point take a young lad lass to a pond with nowt much in it they sit there for two hours catch nowt, bored!!! home dad another prospect lost if they hook into a few !! can we go again dad ;D ;D ;D a prospect hooked for life .walk down a river match and tot up the average age i would reckon 55 we need young blood that is the future and the future is commercial fisheries deal with it !!
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Post by jerseyman on Nov 27, 2010 9:17:31 GMT
well, we all have an opinion, If the future of fishing is a commercial, i will have to take up stamp collecting. I am all to aware that the average age of anglers is rising, yet we still see many younger folk going fishing. But what they claim is angling, is a pale shadow of what i understand to be angling is. but thats my opinion I Is it endemic ot todays society ,that anglers wnat an instant fix, they have to catch every time, i like to, but hunting a wild creature is not supposed to be easy. As for putting others first, i am a bit lost there? Or are you saying that you have a greater need to catch, because you take your young un's ? Can understand that part, but there are lots of places that can cater for that better than leeds can. And having read the list of fish stocked over the years, which hasn't resulted in a sustainable /self regenorating fishery what do you propose? more of the same? The difficulties amateur/part time/volunteer fishery officers face today are legion, increased predation from above and below, stock procurement of any species is fraught with danger, are you bringing something nasty in? Will they survive, will they get nicked, will members look after them? or for that matter will anyone appreciate them, or just moan as usual. I haven't got any answers, apart from the urgent need to find out why the small silver fish are not getting past the 2nd year, That seems a good place to start.
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Post by gcb on Nov 27, 2010 11:07:29 GMT
Well reasoned post jersey. I'm with you. I like the peace and tranquility of the countryside when I go fishing. Muddy holes lined with anglers is not my idea of enjoyment, but each to their own. geoff
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Post by kpkh on Nov 27, 2010 12:21:17 GMT
its true that youngsters do need a bit of instant action to get them hooked at first, but how can taking them to a comercial week in week out teach them the most important part of our sport. surely if fishing has any kind of future, it is of great importance that youngsters learn about the natural habitat and suroundings of all waters. if in 20 years all we are left with is a small number of anglers who just fish comercials angling is finnished! we would be taken appart by the league against cruel sports for one. at 30 years old i am one of the youngest anglers on the bank and this worries me. i think its the responsability of all anglers to help youngsters. if you see kids on the bank, instead of "dont stand on that pole" "stand back youll scare my fish" give them 15mins of your time and you can teach them so much, then they might come back for another go rant over!!
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Post by jerseyman on Nov 27, 2010 13:21:17 GMT
Another well put post, EP, ir right though, take the young un's off the commercial/day ticket waters and there's not many to seen, in any branch of the sport. However, thats a topic for another thread possibly.
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Post by kpkh on Nov 27, 2010 18:16:25 GMT
think wer stuck between a rock and a hard place with this one! either sit back n let the lake sort itself out, or as frim says, drain the lake and start again! personaly i would give the place a couple of years, see how it pans out. definitely doesnt want any more stock of silvers though!
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