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Post by jgpark on Aug 23, 2014 17:54:35 GMT
Difficult to quote what you call the clubs official stance as it differs very much from mine. Yes a legal document has been signed very much to my regrets and yes it has my signature on it. I very much had my say last Thursday night at a trustee's meeting stating how wrong I know we have been on this project from the very start. I had my say and left the meeting early feeling emotional and left my resignation on the table for the others to discuss. I will keep speaking against the project and that is against protocol.
Regards Graham
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Post by Eddie on Aug 23, 2014 18:08:22 GMT
I hope very much that, your resignation is not accepted and you have second thoughts yourself. I have only met you once, but have always been impressed with your honesty and unassuming manner on the forum. It would be LDASA's loss. I called you Mr park, it made you smile, and you told me to call you graham, but it was out of respect, that is undiminished. Eddie
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Post by gcb on Aug 23, 2014 18:24:13 GMT
Your comment is much appreciated Graham. I am sure you were carried along by the euphoria that everyone must have felt at easing the clubs financial situation. As you suggest it was probably a decision made in haste without full cogniscence of the ramifications of such a scheme. Well done for accepting you made a mistake - we all do that - me ha! plenty of times! what sets you apart though graham is having the balls to come on here and admit the big mistake you made in signing the document. I have been vitriolic to the 'committee' on here in the hope that they would see sense and get us pulled out of this scheme.- which I, as a member,have had no opportunity to discuss even though the channels to do this obviously exist on the forum. I am left with the feeling that the members opinions don't really matter - so I am happy to leave the club if my name is associated with this scheme in future when it all goes wrong. I was by the topcliffe mill 2 days ago - there are 2 properties up for sale - they may be unsellable if the hydro scheme and the associated noise becomes a reality.
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Post by apollo on Aug 23, 2014 18:40:23 GMT
Couple of things here - flats at topcliffe mill have been un sellable since floods 2012 especially since insurance has gone up to £25,000 a year divided by 12 [flats], that was said at the meeting. And some of them openly admit they are struggling to pay it. That place is a listed building so is the weir and if construction works and that screw cause damage it's gonna cost somebody
Im sorry for graham park as he seems genuinely sorry for this. No official statement to the members on the official position of the committee, not even a proper explanation? maybe they have a statement ready for the press......
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Post by av1nbarb3l on Aug 23, 2014 18:46:44 GMT
sad day for leeds dasa losing such an honest guy from its top ranks it should be them that are for this scheme at top level within the club that should be falling on their swords this whole scheme shold not have even been considered without proper consultation with the ea and angling trust not to mention all the other clubs who have stretches of the swale below topcliffe mill plus the residents of topcliffe mill because once we have finished fishing we go home residents are home and will have to put up with this monster on their doorstep would it have done any harm to have sent out ballot to all members and not just delegates as most members are not represented by delegates sad day for leeds dasa and i can only see bad times ahead with the loss of many of its members this might be the final nail in the coffin I dont know where we go from here but the only chance we have is for everyone to pull together lets hope we can get the planning people at local council to throw the planning application out it seems like our only chance to stop this
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Post by Eddie on Aug 23, 2014 19:46:15 GMT
I don't think there is any chance of stopping this from Leeds end, it's going to be by objection or nothing , so get your objections in to HBC, they are still being accepted
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Post by gcb on Aug 23, 2014 20:11:23 GMT
And let the Harrogate MP know of your objection. We need as much support as we can muster to stop this madness - providing miniscule energy at such an iconic stretch of barbel and specimen water.
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Post by apollo on Aug 23, 2014 20:28:08 GMT
And let the Harrogate MP know of your objection. We need as much support as we can muster to stop this madness - providing miniscule energy at such an iconic stretch of barbel and specimen water. The MP who covers the Asenby patch is Julian Smith MP for Skipton and Ripon julian.smith.mp@parliament.uk and he's on twitter @juliansmithmp Hydro in this type of location is not green it's destructive but you do need to give the council material to 'refuse' planning on. Loss of fishing is loss of amenity, bring in the listed building thing and remember the floods, there should be a independent flood report and not just one put together by somebody working for the hydro company and written before the big flood. Check out the lamprey report cos that will have some weight to, they have some special protection and when you write remember to say that you are objecting - it's balmy but thats the advice and it's coming from people who have a lot to lose and are on our side
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Post by zippy on Aug 23, 2014 21:08:32 GMT
I hope I'm not speaking out of term here but to say after the event, your signature on a legal document wasn't what you wanted, is a bit of a politicians answer. If you felt that it was such a provocative venture why at the time did you not insist at least on a members meeting to discuss the issue? I see so much of this after the horse has bolted apology it doesn't wash I'm afraid. Keep your resignation in for me
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Post by zippy on Aug 23, 2014 21:15:25 GMT
However now you can be a objection for the project from the inside. I only wish you, and only people like you had the bravado at the time to distribute the facts to those who are at most concern. The members!
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Post by memsec on Aug 23, 2014 22:04:13 GMT
...... Yes a legal document has been signed very much to my regrets and yes it has my signature on it. ....... Well Graham, don't know which legal document *you're* talking about. The copy I've seen of the lease agreement signed by LDASA with UK Hydro doesn't have your signature on it at all - yes, it has Stan's but the other signer had the initials P R..... .... No official statement to the members on the official position of the committee, not even a proper explanation? maybe they have a statement ready for the press...... I won't be holding my breath waiting for a statement ........but it will be interesting to see what the Delegates say at their meeting. Are any notes of those meetings ever published on this Forum? I hope I'm not speaking out of term here but to say after the event, your signature on a legal document wasn't what you wanted, is a bit of a politicians answer. .... To be fair, Graham’s signature is *not* on the lease giving UK Hydro access to the weir. So perhaps we ought to draw back from criticising him for signing it? .....this whole scheme should not have even been considered without proper consultation with the ea and angling trust not to mention all the other clubs who have stretches of the swale below topcliffe mill .....would it have done any harm to have sent out ballot to all members and not just delegates as most members are not represented by delegates ... Right with you on the need for proper consultation before all this went ahead. To be fair, the EA did consult on the proposal back in March 2013 but I don't know how many anglers objected to it other than the Bradford City AA club. I guess LDASA would say that to ballot all the members would have to have been by post because many members don't use email etc. That would cost the best part of £1000 in postage. But it would have been nice to have had a public debate about it at the time.
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Post by Eddie on Aug 24, 2014 9:13:10 GMT
Leeds have got the ideal platform to pass info to it's members and garner opinion, it's called LDASA FORUM. It should be mentioned in the year book and used regularly by members and officials alike. I don't know about dragging Leeds into the 21st century as regards communication, it would be a start to drag them into the 20th!
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Post by memsec on Aug 25, 2014 9:45:10 GMT
Leeds have got the ideal platform to pass info to it's members and garner opinion, it's called LDASA FORUM. It should be mentioned in the year book and used regularly by members and officials alike. I don't know about dragging Leeds into the 21st century as regards communication, it would be a start to drag them into the 20th! Agreed. But there are lots of members out there who 1) don't have e-access to something like a forum 2) if they do have e-access, don't know how to use it to access a Forum 3) aren't interested in looking at Forums 4) don;t give a toss about what the club is doing - all they want is somewhere to go fishing. Of course, if they *can* access something like a forum. and decide not to use it, they don't have much to stand on in claiming they haven't been asked for their views!
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Post by quint on Aug 29, 2014 12:25:06 GMT
Leeds have got the ideal platform to pass info to it's members and garner opinion, it's called LDASA FORUM. It should be mentioned in the year book and used regularly by members and officials alike. I don't know about dragging Leeds into the 21st century as regards communication, it would be a start to drag them into the 20th! Maybe they didn't want to consult the members, seems to me they were promised a pot of gold and signed up as quick as they could, not taking into account the full effects of the scheme.
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