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Post by neil61 on Aug 26, 2015 20:28:54 GMT
Please could anyone clarify if portable camping stoves are classed as fires.
On Tuesday I fished at Moor Monkton Pools & was told I couldnt use my gas stove on the bank side & could only use it in the car park.
I was advised it stated this in the yearbook & on the Moor Monkton Ticket.
I read the rules & it states no fires allowed, which I would say is an open fire that would ruin the bank side and i totally agree with that.
I have used my stove many times at this venue and this is the first time anyone has said something. Is this the opinion of one official or is it the general rule?
Kind regards
Neil
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Post by quint on Aug 27, 2015 8:09:09 GMT
It's not an open fire, I'd say it's ok to use for a brew or whatever, I know a few anglers do use them.
I may be wrong but I'm sure they are not classed as having a fire.
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Post by stevo53 on Aug 27, 2015 13:30:24 GMT
What about those kelly kettles they run on twigs and leaves and f*g ends etc they must smoke a bit  . oops didnt realise f*g was a naughty word  |
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Post by nige_LS7 on Aug 28, 2015 21:24:06 GMT
.id have told him to do one and take it up with the club... He did. The gentleman in question raised it at the delegates' meeting last night (where I stood in for Rushy) and it was confirmed that stoves are not allowed on club waters as things stand. (minutes to follow). |
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Post by johnboy66 on Aug 28, 2015 21:35:26 GMT
.id have told him to do one and take it up with the club... He did. The gentleman in question raised it at the delegates' meeting last night (where I stood in for Rushy) and it was confirmed that stoves are not allowed on club waters as things stand. (minutes to follow).
haha not aloud on club waters what about the carper`s, rule for 1 rule for all |
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Post by quint on Aug 29, 2015 10:28:28 GMT
Crap rule, you should allow little stoves for a fresh brew, especially when it's autumn/winter.
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Post by grayson on Aug 29, 2015 15:18:00 GMT
If the Club decrees that the anti fire rule includes a stove (and I can certainly see why , logically , it should) then I cannot see any point in wittering about the Club. Far more sensible to propose that the rule is amended to allow them - but prepare then for a debate about portable barbecues etc . Rules are not in tablets of stone - even though some club officers (not referring to Leeds here but a general point ) love to cling to outdated rules because..well.. it's in the rule book innit .
The other point is that many leases of fishing rights specifically forbid fires (because that's what the precedent book says ) and it would be unwise to argue the stove point with a landlord...
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Post by jgpark on Aug 29, 2015 18:58:56 GMT
I also, as general secretary, was at the delegates meeting when the subject of fires verses stoves was aired.
Let me give my opinion on the subject; the rules state no fires allowed, fair enough, maybe it should say no campfires allowed, I think we would all agree with that, then maybe we should then say that stoves/night heaters be allowed on society owned fisheries.
Like a previous post states we do have to abide by some requests made by our riparian owners and in nearly every case fires are a no
The rule need revising and our GP committee will do so at their next meeting and report back to delegates with a recommendation
Regards Graham
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Post by deanos on Aug 29, 2015 19:36:44 GMT
A very civilised and considered reply Graham.
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Post by bof on Aug 31, 2015 10:03:26 GMT
I can understand landowners and farmers dislike of open fires, in themselves they damage the surface soil on the banks, (in some cases way down into the root level, as do those foil barbeques), but an open fire needs fuel, and some anglers were not above breaking fences, or tree limbs, to get enough for a fire to warm them. But a stove, where is the harm? Stoves come on legs, or even sit on the top of the cannister, overheat that and you are in serious bother sunshine! Boiling a small camp kettle for fresh tea or a cup of soup takes minutes and causes no problems. BOF |
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Post by stevo53 on Aug 31, 2015 12:22:25 GMT
Where do you draw the line? thingy heads enough said I think!!!
thingy thingy thingy thingy thingy thingy thingy heads!!!!!
I rest my case!
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Post by gedthespread on Aug 31, 2015 12:25:59 GMT
Almost every single carp and specimen angler in the country would be alienated if this rule was followed to the letter . It's obvious that a stove is not the same as a fire and if the rule refers to open flames, stoves are included . interpretation of the rule should be at the commonsense discretion of the bailiff.
Bear in mind that this rule probably dates back to the formation of the club when stoves didn't really exist in the form as we know them today
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Post by stevo53 on Aug 31, 2015 13:22:18 GMT
Almost every single carp and specimen angler in the country would be alienated if this rule was followed to the letter . It's obvious that a stove is not the same as a fire and if the rule refers to open flames, stoves are included . interpretation of the rule should be at the commonsense discretion of the bailiff. Bear in mind that this rule probably dates back to the formation of the club when stoves didn't really exist in the form as we know them today Common sense Is not applicable where thingy heads are concerned |
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Post by jgpark on Aug 31, 2015 14:19:04 GMT
I think stevo ( thingy head ) is upset over something  |
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Post by grayson on Aug 31, 2015 15:16:58 GMT
Almost every single carp and specimen angler in the country would be alienated if this rule was followed to the letter . It's obvious that a stove is not the same as a fire and if the rule refers to open flames, stoves are included . interpretation of the rule should be at the commonsense discretion of the bailiff. Bear in mind that this rule probably dates back to the formation of the club when stoves didn't really exist in the form as we know them today I think you are wrong on two counts-whilst session men may need their stove it is possible , believe it or not, to target big fish without dragging cooking equipment around! Oddly enough I have somehow been able to catch some notable fish without much more than a flask of coffee to sustain me . It's not a question of 'alienation' but a quite simple case of revisiting a rule which may need refining . And it really isn't up to a bailiff to have to reinterpret rules (that way lots of inconsistency lies ) but a matter of the Club clarifying what is meant, anglers complying with the rules and bailiffs enforcing them . |
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