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Post by frim on Dec 8, 2009 1:02:40 GMT
We knew coarse fish were present in kp fly lake but todays work party threw up a few suprises, they look like Ide gone wrong, they were scale perfect and thick set "what do you think?"
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Post by bra1n on Dec 8, 2009 8:49:50 GMT
We knew coarse fish were present in kp fly lake but todays work party threw up a few suprises, they look like Ide gone wrong, they were scale perfect and thick set "what do you think?" They look like well fed Ide to me.
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Post by frim on Dec 8, 2009 18:03:17 GMT
brain, yep i agree they do, but half a dozen of us who witnessed them have all caught hundreds of ide all over the country and all said these fish were slightly different, they were caught from the fly lake which is only bait fished a couple of times a year, and the lake in general doesn't seem to be over the top with naturals, no Ide have ever been stocked by us to the fly lake, the coarse lakes have some but they are only half as big as those in the pic even after been fed anglers baits for eighteen months, personally i don't think they are 100% but they were still stunning fish. Steve
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Post by Barker on Dec 9, 2009 16:25:10 GMT
What colour dorsal fin did they have frim?ide normally have a black dorsal fin with all other fins red. I fish alot of matches at the oaks which has loads of ide in and they dont seem to look like ide to me-their bodies are usually long in profile. These seem to be more rounder in body shape,maybe they are stunted?-they look alot like roach too but with a diff sort of mouth,but i know you ouse lads know what a roach is lol! what did the biggest weigh? Some tropical fish can live fine in cold water and grow to a decent size-such as barbs,and look fairly similar to roach. Earlier on in the year i was fishing at helperby,i guy fishing a match on the opposite bank caught what he thought was a massive roach only when he landed it,it wasnt-he then shouted over and asked if i thought it could be an ide-only it had the same body shape as the fish in your photo-fat but not as long as an ide or chub normally are-and it wasnt a roach either. Cheers, Graeme.
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Post by frim on Dec 9, 2009 19:20:57 GMT
Not much good if you want to look at dorsals.
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Post by gedthespread on Dec 9, 2009 22:14:27 GMT
possible roach/rudd hybrids as dorsal is back a bit,what did they weigh,about a pound and above by the look of it
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Post by gedthespread on Dec 9, 2009 22:18:54 GMT
ps,i aint never seen an ide before,so am prepared to bow to greater authority on that,but have seen a few big roach before
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Post by bra1n on Dec 10, 2009 8:50:33 GMT
The scales are too small for Roach or Rudd, do a rough count of the scales in the lateral line, it's well in excess of 50.
Ide Lateral-line scales number 55-63 dorsal fin is short, with 7-10 rays, and usually originates over the posterior part of the pelvic fin base. The anal fin has 9-13 rays
Roach Lateral line scales 39-48.
Rudd Lateral line scales 36-45
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Post by gedthespread on Dec 10, 2009 19:17:32 GMT
go on then brain,stick thy neck out and tell us what they are then,assuming we can't see a good view of neither dorsal nor anal,whose formula are you quoting?
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Post by a fan on Dec 10, 2009 20:55:45 GMT
wasnt that bloke holding em in goonies ? ( hey you guys )
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Post by anotherfan on Dec 10, 2009 21:11:34 GMT
no he was the original umpty numpty
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Post by bra1n on Dec 11, 2009 8:26:21 GMT
go on then brain,stick thy neck out and tell us what they are then,assuming we can't see a good view of neither dorsal nor anal,whose formula are you quoting? I've already said I think they're Ide but I've only seen the pictures whereas Frim and Co saw them in the flesh and have probably caught far more Ide than I. As for the 'formula' I just did a Google search, unfortunately I didn't retain the links so you'll have to do the same if you want to confirm those facts. I have caught very similar looking Ide from Needless Pond, Morley whereas those I've caught from 'The Oaks' are slimmer and more variable in colour. There may be some hybridisation, I've no way of knowing. At the end of the day, without a full examination by a qualified biologist, it's just a matter of opinion.
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Post by gedthespread on Dec 11, 2009 20:05:10 GMT
they're nice looking fish,and i wouldn't mind catching a few,could be tempted to dust off ye old float rod,get me waggler out,and have a go.Would be interesting to see what else is lurking in that old trout pond
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Post by az on Dec 12, 2009 20:31:20 GMT
they are nice fish, i think they are ide and i believe the redish fins casting doubt on that though. i remember owning a book many years ago illustrating all the different freshwater species which showed detailed pictures and info of them, and those pictures posted dont half remind me of a fish called a nase, mainly due to the scale count and red fins.
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Post by frim on Dec 12, 2009 23:44:46 GMT
Theabove fish show we have the potential on site for a real good mixed fishery, the same day i lost a 2lb crucian at the net, a dozen of these were rescued on the last weed clearing exercise, probabably 2nd year fish. With this in mind we are going to do a test netting over the Christmas hols, I will post the results, and i fancy a few suprises.
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