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Post by johnboy66 on Jan 21, 2015 22:01:58 GMT
well guys as some of you know I`m stepping up my gear and hopefully be catching some bigger Carp, barbel this year so was going to get a few Boilies to try. I know Boilies aren`t the be all and end all but just a couple of questions 1/ what`s the difference between freeze Boilies and shelf Boilies (and no fun intended I know you freeze one and not the other) 2/ what is the shelf life of the self live Boilies 3/ what do most of you choose thanks Johnboy. P.S. I forgot what size and when would you use them and why. Read more: westyorkshireangling.proboards.com/thread/1295/boilies#ixzz3PUo1KdmA
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Jan 21, 2015 22:55:13 GMT
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Post by Eddie on Jan 21, 2015 22:55:13 GMT
Johnboy as far as boilies go, you have never had it so good, loads of quality bait around! You are probably better going for shelf life mate, if you are occasionally going to carp fish. If you look after them they will last for ages, unless you are bagging so many fish you use them all! Maybe ask what is catching, get a bag and some pop ups to match, that will get you started and give you some presentation options! Better than the days when I was making my own bait, pop ups were a proper pain!
Eddie.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:12:12 GMT
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Post by wrighty29 on Jan 21, 2015 23:12:12 GMT
Self live? Im nit sure what that is but shelf life have a preservative in them and freezer baits don't. Buy from the big reputable firms and u wont go far wrong. Nutrabaits, essential, ABS to name but a few
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Jan 21, 2015 23:28:24 GMT
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Post by Eddie on Jan 21, 2015 23:28:24 GMT
Just add all the big firms sell shelf life boilies and any preservatives are fit for human consumption! Don't know if that is good or bad, but there you go! 15/16mm a good starting point sizewise.
Eddie.
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Post by chrisobrien84 on Jan 22, 2015 12:36:31 GMT
I'm no expert but . . . . . . Freezer baits have no preservatives and therefore are fresher as they are frozen immediately. Shelf life baits are made slightly differently and have preservatives to keep them fresh. The pro's of shelf life baits is what you don't use, you can take back home with you. Within reason, I think the shelf life bait should last years un-opened. Freezer baits should be used once defrosted but I've never had any issue refreezing them once. Years ago shelf life's used to be very poor and freezer baits reigned as top dog. They seem to be as good as freezer baits now due to things moving forward in the Carp bait ingredient world. I started using boilies when the shelf life baits were not very good so in my mind I have a confidence hurdle to get over to swap from freezer baits. I currently use Sticky Vortex but prior to that, I used anything from Mainline, Fusion, Cell, Maple-8, Activ-8 or Pro-Active Pineapple. If you're new to boilies then I'd buy 1kg of something you like to look of, colour and flavour then go from there. A £10, 1kg bag seem expensive but remember you can bring these back home with you. I dread to think how many pints of castors and maggots I've thrown into the river and watched those pound coins drifting downstream. Sadly, todays Carp fishing world revolves around an aggressive advertising strategy and you'll be reading that if you don't use this new wonder bait, you'll blank! As you're new to boilies, I'd suggest following the crowd and use either Mainline Cell ( freezer bait ) or Mainline Hi Impact Banoffee ( Shelf life ) and see how you get on. There's loads of options out there but I'm a little biased towards Mainline and Sticky baits. If using the boilies for Barbel then, as you know, go for a meaty/garlic of halibut style one. Remember that they'll roll away to so halve them and they stand more chance staying near your baited swim. Good luck Read more: westyorkshireangling.proboards.com/thread/1295/boilies?page=1#ixzz3PYMGJ4uY
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Post by johnboy66 on Jan 22, 2015 21:03:17 GMT
I'm no expert but . . . . . . Freezer baits have no preservatives and therefore are fresher as they are frozen immediately. Shelf life baits are made slightly differently and have preservatives to keep them fresh. The pro's of shelf life baits is what you don't use, you can take back home with you. Within reason, I think the shelf life bait should last years un-opened. Freezer baits should be used once defrosted but I've never had any issue refreezing them once. Years ago shelf life's used to be very poor and freezer baits reigned as top dog. They seem to be as good as freezer baits now due to things moving forward in the Carp bait ingredient world. I started using boilies when the shelf life baits were not very good so in my mind I have a confidence hurdle to get over to swap from freezer baits. I currently use Sticky Vortex but prior to that, I used anything from Mainline, Fusion, Cell, Maple-8, Activ-8 or Pro-Active Pineapple. If you're new to boilies then I'd buy 1kg of something you like to look of, colour and flavour then go from there. A £10, 1kg bag seem expensive but remember you can bring these back home with you. I dread to think how many pints of castors and maggots I've thrown into the river and watched those pound coins drifting downstream. Sadly, todays Carp fishing world revolves around an aggressive advertising strategy and you'll be reading that if you don't use this new wonder bait, you'll blank! As you're new to boilies, I'd suggest following the crowd and use either Mainline Cell ( freezer bait ) or Mainline Hi Impact Banoffee ( Shelf life ) and see how you get on. There's loads of options out there but I'm a little biased towards Mainline and Sticky baits. If using the boilies for Barbel then, as you know, go for a meaty/garlic of halibut style one. Remember that they'll roll away to so halve them and they stand more chance staying near your baited swim. Good luck Read more: westyorkshireangling.proboards.com/thread/1295/boilies?page=1#ixzz3PYMGJ4uYThanks I think you have covered it all there mate, a lot to digest there.
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Post by northface on Jan 23, 2015 9:16:52 GMT
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Post by smithleback on Jan 25, 2015 22:12:37 GMT
I dread to think how many pints of castors and maggots I've thrown into the river and watched those pound coins drifting downstream Cut 4inch square off a bait box lid,take spare maggots home,put in fridge like this they dont get moist,cant escape and will last 3-4 weeks
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Post by chrisobrien84 on Jan 26, 2015 9:16:40 GMT
That's a good tip.
I don't often use maggots as I fish for Carp a lot but these days I always bring them home to freeze and put in a spod mix another time.
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Jan 26, 2015 12:55:25 GMT
Johnboy leave the shelf boily alone mate,,, only really good as a hook bait,,,, too many preservatives in them.,,,
When I have used shelf life I've used them 1 as hook bait tipped oath corn and 5-7 in a boily crush,,,, with maybe 5-10 scattered over each rod,,,, yes I've caught on them and they do catch
But best off buying frozen ,,,, and just take them out the night before and fish them straight out the bag,,, don't air dry them unless your using throwing stick to 80 plus yards,, they stay fresher and smell better,,,, I can get a boily to 80 yards Without it splitting,,, if I need to go 100yarda plus I'll just spod 5-10 baits out ,,,
Kilo a boily is about £10 and I have no issue with refreezing them 2-3 times and probs used them by then anyways,,,
On a 2 -3 rod setup I'll use half a kilo in a day,,, and 1kg 24 hours,,,
As for size Id stick with 16mm you get more boily per kg and big baits don't always mean bigger fish,,, I'm off france in May taking 20kg a 16s
A great boily and worldwide catcher is any mainline but CELL or hybrid are the winners,,,,
Jimmy
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Post by johnboy66 on Jan 26, 2015 20:17:10 GMT
thanks guys I will take all on board a lot to consider, I suppose its finding the right boilies for me now !!!
good fishing to all for 2015
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Post by johnboy66 on Jan 26, 2015 21:09:39 GMT
Johnboy leave the shelf boily alone mate,,, only really good as a hook bait,,,, too many preservatives in them.,,, When I have used shelf life I've used them 1 as hook bait tipped oath corn and 5-7 in a boily crush,,,, with maybe 5-10 scattered over each rod,,,, yes I've caught on them and they do catch But best off buying frozen ,,,, and just take them out the night before and fish them straight out the bag,,, don't air dry them unless your using throwing stick to 80 plus yards,, they stay fresher and smell better,,,, I can get a boily to 80 yards Without it splitting,,, if I need to go 100yarda plus I'll just spod 5-10 baits out ,,, Kilo a boily is about £10 and I have no issue with refreezing them 2-3 times and probs used them by then anyways,,, On a 2 -3 rod setup I'll use half a kilo in a day,,, and 1kg 24 hours,,, As for size Id stick with 16mm you get more boily per kg and big baits don't always mean bigger fish,,, I'm off france in May taking 20kg a 16s A great boily and worldwide catcher is any mainline but CELL or hybrid are the winners,,,, Jimmy thanks Jimmy much appreciated, yh I`m not a one for plying in the bait unless I`m bream fishing where you need to or maybe a couple of spods to start with. and I love sweetcorn all year round !!!
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Jan 26, 2015 21:18:15 GMT
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Post by wrighty29 on Jan 26, 2015 21:18:15 GMT
Shelf life used to be not as good as frozen but nowadays some shelf life are better. winter55 uses nearly all shelf life and catches more than most. Even lads who get bait for free or cheap rave about trigga ice shelf life even bill the owner uses them and could use anything he wants. There are lots of preservatives in most freezer baits all be it natural ones
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Post by johnboy66 on Jan 26, 2015 22:19:41 GMT
well I well and truly opened a bag of boilies, I think on here and on another forum its 50/50 on what you guys use. it good to know what people use and why, so the only way is when I get out there this spring that's if we even get a spring is as follows !!!
1/ I have made a few of my own boilies to try 2/ buy some frozen boilies 3/ buy some shelf live boilies
lets see by the end of the year which works best and where for me, good look to 2015 lads.
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Post by wrighty29 on Jan 26, 2015 22:54:52 GMT
As long as its a reputable company you wont go wrong
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