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Post by rushy on Mar 4, 2015 11:19:09 GMT
My worry is that this is the tip of the iceberg & there is a precedent being set here, whereby so called "unfished/underfished" sections of river are deemed surplus to requirements & leases given up. Surely issues with regard to access/parking can be resolved fairly easily. Cheers Andy Totally agree with you Andy and my thoughts too. All of the clubs river stretches are deemed to be "unfished", apart from the obvious match lengths, however there are plenty of people I know who fish the rivers. It looks like this is the way things are going and I think we will see more and more river stretches given up and even more puddles bought. What a shame.  I must admit as a river angler I'm with Andy and Glen on this one. I don't think we need to bring Carpvale into the equation though , just the fact that we might be giving up a river stretch should be the topic. Stan (the President ) said " it was the clubs intention to relinquish the water at the earliest opportunity " There is a Fisheries Management Committee Meeting on Thursday, I will try and get some more info and see if there is an alternative solution.  |
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Post by nige_LS7 on Mar 4, 2015 12:54:46 GMT
Well in Dave for this constructive approach. A few naive thoughts from a newbie (but one who has been involved in running sports clubs for most of my life). A newbie can sometimes ask the right questions instead of accepting things the way they are: It's inevitable that the club can't conduct all its business in public, with land and rent deals and of other legal matters at stake, but it does seem that there is a communication and consultation issue for the club. How do members know when something is "on the agenda" ? I'm surprised that I don't have to give my email address when I join and get some sort of monthly or bi-monthly email bulletin. Interested parties could be better informed that a decision is to be made and maybe have an opportunity of having things explained to them, and putting in their own views, so that the club giving up a water that may be important to that member personally is not just suddenly a 'fait accompli' out of the blue, with the feeling of "They came for Tadcaster, but I did nothing, because I didn't fish at Tadcaster. Then they came for Stocksbridge..." It may be that there is nothing we can do about this farmer's intransigence, and it may be (I don't know) that this is an inevitable decision, and yes there will always be "carping" (sorry) about decisions after they are made (as I say I've been involved in running sports clubs so I've been carped at). But the carping and muttering - most of it currently ill-informed - will be less, and better informed, if communications are better. We don't want anyone to unnecessarily feel that the Leeds & DASA is "they" rather than "we". Meanwhile the other "us" against "thems" don't seem helpful either. It's not "Carpvale v. Tadcaster" and phrases so often used like "muddy puddles",** etc are just going to alienate dedicated lake fishermen, when there are in fact more river sections than lakes, so to "them" it will seem as if "we" the river anglers want it all our own way, and when - as those in the know keep rightly saying - some of the ponds and lakes are great investments and income sources. If we got sent a regular bulletin which showed accurately that the club is indeed a great balance between match and pleasure, between lake and river, and explaining issues (as far as possible before and after decisions are made) then everybody would benefit and the tasks of the officials would be less thankless. The job of the newsletter writer would surely be the least thankless of all! Meanwhile more power to your elbow Dave. **having said that, "Muddy Puddle v. Mucky Hole" does have a certain ring to it  |
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Post by Eddie on Mar 4, 2015 13:08:14 GMT
What would be useful is a post from someone who's been fairly recently, and to hear how they found the parking and access.
Eddie.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Mar 4, 2015 13:10:55 GMT
What would be useful is a post from someone who's been fairly recently, and to hear how they found the parking and access. Eddie. Dave - are you fishing tomorrow? |
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Post by shaun39 on Mar 4, 2015 14:16:50 GMT
some two weeks or so i posted that it was great news buying carpvale as i like the place but i also said that i hope that leeds do not start giving up river stretches , now with this tadcaster stretch being given up i am a tad, sorry about that worried. i can understand the access issues and maybe the landowner has not been over helpfull i dont know, but hopefully leeds can replace this venue with another river stretch if one becomes available. i notified leeds that thirsk aa was folding and that they had a couple of good stretches on the swale and cod beck but we missed the boat. maybe leeds will have to search more actively for some good river venues because if carpvale makes us more money we can afford to pay good money for good river stretches , i will watch what happens in the future but please dont give up any more river venues unless a very good reason ie farmer does not want to re-lease etc
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Post by rushy on Mar 4, 2015 14:44:39 GMT
What would be useful is a post from someone who's been fairly recently, and to hear how they found the parking and access. Eddie. Dave - are you fishing tomorrow? Mmmm , well I'm back on the Grandaughter sitting rota again tomorrow Nige , so if I can convince her that a walk past the sewerage works and down to the river where Grandad used to spend most of his Saturdays in the 1970's , is a better option than the ball pool and slides at Jungle Jims , I might be able to report first hand  |
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Post by jgpark on Mar 4, 2015 14:57:14 GMT
Sorry Shaun we did not miss the boat at all I followed up your info within hours and was bluntly told to fade away in jerky movements, nothing was or would be available.
As for Tadcaster I wrote to Samual Smiths two and a half years ago stating we were unhappy with the situation of paying a quarterly rent on a direct cebit and not having safe parking and no entry since the farmer had removed our style and barbed wired the entry up, I was told the farmer was also a tenant of the brewery and something would be done, nothing has changed dispite further attempts to make contact. Recently our president visited the area and then went to the brewery to complain and came away with the same result as I got years ago. So a decision was made to cancel the bank debit and relinquish the fishing.
Carpvale has not been bought out of your year book subscriptions but from the money we invested on your behalf after the sale of Catterick, that investment was with the FTSE 100 finishes on 7th April this year and has been extremely successful over the five year term but we all know were the level of the FTSE is currently and even if the scheme was still available it would not be a good investment of your money, that is why we were approached about Carpvale and it came at exactly the right time for the society. The investment is in the fishery for the future and the money generated is the bonus for the club.
All rented fisheries will be looked at in the near future, possibly at this months finance meeting, and decisions will have to be taken, but first of all better deals need to be agreed and every effort made before anything is relinquished, that always has been and will be a last resort.
At the end of the day we need to do our best to give you the best fishing available, whatever your personal preference, but we also have to produce an acceptable balance sheet each year and that has not been happening in recent years.
Hope that throws some light on the situation but do not shoot the messenger
Regards Graham |
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Post by rushy on Mar 4, 2015 15:11:06 GMT
Jungle Jims it is then |
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Post by flylife on Mar 4, 2015 18:38:02 GMT
I fished it on Monday, first time I've fished it wasn't sure about parking as the actual lane it showed to go down was locked off so I had to park before the sewage works and walk from there.
Was only a few hundred yards extra so it was no great concern
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Post by shaun39 on Mar 4, 2015 19:19:32 GMT
Sorry Shaun we did not miss the boat at all I followed up your info within hours and was bluntly told to fade away in jerky movements, nothing was or would be available.
As for Tadcaster I wrote to Samual Smiths two and a half years ago stating we were unhappy with the situation of paying a quarterly rent on a direct cebit and not having safe parking and no entry since the farmer had removed our style and barbed wired the entry up, I was told the farmer was also a tenant of the brewery and something would be done, nothing has changed dispite further attempts to make contact. Recently our president visited the area and then went to the brewery to complain and came away with the same result as I got years ago. So a decision was made to cancel the bank debit and relinquish the fishing.
Carpvale has not been bought out of your year book subscriptions but from the money we invested on your behalf after the sale of Catterick, that investment was with the FTSE 100 finishes on 7th April this year and has been extremely successful over the five year term but we all know were the level of the FTSE is currently and even if the scheme was still available it would not be a good investment of your money, that is why we were approached about Carpvale and it came at exactly the right time for the society. The investment is in the fishery for the future and the money generated is the bonus for the club.
All rented fisheries will be looked at in the near future, possibly at this months finance meeting, and decisions will have to be taken, but first of all better deals need to be agreed and every effort made before anything is relinquished, that always has been and will be a last resort.
At the end of the day we need to do our best to give you the best fishing available, whatever your personal preference, but we also have to produce an acceptable balance sheet each year and that has not been happening in recent years.
Hope that throws some light on the situation but do not shoot the messenger
Regards Graham hi graham, sorry but i did not know that you had enquired for the thirsk waters because i cant make leeds meetings because i live 50 odd miles away, it seems that maybe they were taken by other clubs before it was released that thirsk had finished, i think maybe a north east club had agreed to take some of them over,i know you work hard graham and i believe you.thanks for the information anyway and i still think buying carpvale is a no brainer, who would of thought eh,a lot better and closer for most of us than catterick |
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Post by binner on Mar 5, 2015 13:31:16 GMT
how about the club looking at some of the river don and checking availablity on there, especially the tidal parts which im sure are owned by the EA so should be able to rent, donny aa will be sniffing as the fishing gets better and better!
i know its leeds based but be nice to have some water out this way and could attract a new member base
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Post by nige_LS7 on Mar 9, 2015 16:21:39 GMT
So we've just got this week left to tick this stretch off, yeah?
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Post by nige_LS7 on Mar 15, 2015 8:51:43 GMT
So we've just got this week left to tick this stretch off, yeah? Fished it for the first - and looks like the last - time from 5.15 - 6.45 last night. I wonder if I was the last Leeds member to ever fish there? Blanked of course. This is a particularly ugly sewage farm and the river smelled soapy near the outlet so I've decided not to be too heartbroken that we've let the stretch go. |
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