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Post by johnboy66 on Nov 16, 2015 23:01:41 GMT
It's a fair point, that jb and nige make, and maybe a slightly more complex solution is needed, but to stop barbel being targeted in the close season, so far so good! About time! Maybe some venue specific rules in the future? Pity to spoil it for the law abiding anglers! Eddie.
Thanks Eddie your right about the venues;
surely you could call the upper stretches of say the Nidd, Ure and Air allow worm down to a certain point.
I can understand the swale as been more of a course fishing river and for the rules for say mid to bottom stretches of the Nidd, Ure and Air as per rules suggested.
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Post by jimlad on Nov 17, 2015 0:40:24 GMT
Whatever decision was made was always going to be questioned by people. There is no right or wrong answer here really.
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Post by greyduster on Nov 29, 2015 9:14:16 GMT
Welcome news about not bait fishing during course fishing season. Brave decision, but no problem for anglers who respect their chosen quarry. Can see that trotting a small worm for grayling will be affected by this change of rule, but to be practical to trot a worm and fly fish in most cases a angler needs to wade to get the best results. I have fished many rivers and if asked to name a river where I could have a days fly fishing or trotting a worm without braking water and catch trout or grayling, I could not! So in reality the rule will put an end to the blatant disregard to the welfare of the course fish and an end to any grey areas in the rules. It will not help the club to promote fly fishing on some of the clubs excellent trout and grayling waters. If the wading rule on page 53 is not scrapped its a real trick missed by the club, and unfortunately have one member less next season.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Dec 9, 2015 22:31:42 GMT
As stated when targeting trout with worm at Middleham in April I caught only trout and minnow, and always felt confident in only catching trout and minnow.
Agree the wading rule is stupid, but there's plenty of long or short trotting at Middleham (especially) or Pool without wading.
With the change in rules I'll probably be trotting a fly there on a bubble float next spring.
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Post by trout on Dec 24, 2015 10:05:25 GMT
As stated when targeting trout with worm at Middleham in April I caught only trout and minnow, and always felt confident in only catching trout and minnow. Agree the wading rule is stupid, but there's plenty of long or short trotting at Middleham (especially) or Pool without wading. With the change in rules I'll probably be trotting a fly there on a bubble float next spring. Works for me when you need a long cast, used the bubble for many years with good results, you need to pick the right fly on any given day same as when using the fly rod but definitely works if you don't fancy using a fly rod.
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Post by caretaker on Jan 14, 2016 10:20:53 GMT
Due to the rivers being flooded it's like a another enforced close season- eight weeks since rivers were at a sensible level- and what's more alarming it's only eight weeks until the closed season begins. A lot of time river fishing lost due to the flooding.
River fish have huge amounts of water in which to swim and river anglers have the close season and, whilst I respect the original thinking of why the closes season was introduced to allow fish to breed in peace, lakes and canals, with arguably less water are open all year round and the fish still spawn in these waters and get caught regularly by both pleasure and match anglers.
Talk about climate change and all the experts views I was wondering weather the mild weather will have an effect on the spawning times of river fish, i.e will they spawn earlier / later ? If that is the case, and future weather warming, flooding etc is likely to be the norm rather than the exception does the current close season of March 14th to June 15th need to re visited. Should it be done away with altogether?. Advantages and dis- advantages ?
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Post by trout on Jan 14, 2016 18:09:17 GMT
Good questions all there, my personal view is its good to give the rivers a rest but not all would agree, but there is only a ten day gap when know one should be fishing and then trout season starts, there is some old bylaws to allow elver fishing in the ten days using wicker baskets or something but I have never seen it in practise in these parts.sporning changes from year to year think it mainly depends on water temp more than anything else,is it really practical to have a closed season I don't know, think it's best to go with the flow me self.
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Post by bof on Jan 26, 2016 20:11:47 GMT
Fly only? That's me shut out of Leeds river venues till June 16th. There's no way I can fluff fling with my elbow, (2 or 3 minutes maximum). This getting old lark is a bummer. BOF
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Post by smithleback on Jan 29, 2016 14:57:40 GMT
Artificial lure?so small spinners and plugs are ok,just verifying whats what
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Post by rushy on Jan 29, 2016 15:42:08 GMT
Artificial lure?so small spinners and plugs are ok,just verifying whats what Yup, as long as you are comfortable that you would normally target trout with them
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Post by andygas on Jan 31, 2016 20:08:22 GMT
LEEDS AND DISTRICT ASA It was agreed at the Fisheries Management Committee meeting on 12 November 2015, under the emergency powers vested in the committee, that with immediate effect DURING THE COARSE FISH CLOSED SEASON THE ONLY BAIT ALLOWED ON ALL SOCIETY RIVERS WILL BE FLY AND ARTIFICIAL LURESDave Rushton On behalf of Fisheries Management Committee LEEDS AND DISTRICT ASA This will be in the 2016 Yearbook but we would be grateful if this could be passed on verbally amongst all members
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Post by chrisobrien84 on Feb 1, 2016 12:53:13 GMT
Artificial lure?so small spinners and plugs are ok,just verifying whats what Yup, as long as you are comfortable that you would normally target trout with them It's a very vague thing this 'artificial lure' rule. For as long as I can remember the closed season was worm, fly or artificial lure only. I think the way forward is to only allow fishing on certain stretches which hold a majority game fish stocking, than coarse fish.
Places like Pool are tricky venues as they hold plenty of Trout/Grayling but also coarse fish predators ( Pike/Perch and Chub ). I've had a few Trout on small Rapala lures and small rubber jigs but more Perch/Pike. If I'm caught fishing a small rubber jig does this mean I'm a rule breaker because I've caught more coarse fish on that type? But then again who is to say it's not ideal for Trout.
I think it's a very hard thing to enforce or police.
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Post by rushy on Feb 1, 2016 15:25:02 GMT
Yup, as long as you are comfortable that you would normally target trout with them It's a very vague thing this 'artificial lure' rule. For as long as I can remember the closed season was worm, fly or artificial lure only. I think the way forward is to only allow fishing on certain stretches which hold a majority game fish stocking, than coarse fish.
Places like Pool are tricky venues as they hold plenty of Trout/Grayling but also coarse fish predators ( Pike/Perch and Chub ). I've had a few Trout on small Rapala lures and small rubber jigs but more Perch/Pike. If I'm caught fishing a small rubber jig does this mean I'm a rule breaker because I've caught more coarse fish on that type? But then again who is to say it's not ideal for Trout.
I think it's a very hard thing to enforce or police.
Chris It was always going to be very difficult to get the wording correct to cover every possible scenario. Unfortunately, there is always a very very small minority out there who will try and bend the rules and use the vagaries of the wording to suit their own goals (eg. To catch a coarse fish in the coarse fish closed season ) Like 99.9 % of Leeds Members, you are a genuine angler who abides by the rules and moreso has a fish welfare conscience. If I as a baliff , saw someone using a small rubber jig at Pool during the Trout season / Coarse fish closed season , I think I could "reasonably" assume they were after Trout . So no, you wouldn't be a rule breaker , although a nice trout spinner would be better You would of course have a very good chance of catching and out of season Pike or Perch or Chub on a trout spinner as well, so do we ban spinners ? Hopefully you can appreciate the complexities of trying to address the " real problem " caused by the minority , whilst not affecting the genuine anglers with a conscience at the same time A big fat lobby on a 1.75tc rod pointing skywards is easy to enforce and police All the best Dave R
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Post by chrisobrien84 on Feb 1, 2016 15:35:02 GMT
I agree with you and understand the concerns of the club and all other clubs. I'll just make sure I take my 1.5 TC rods to Topcliffe and keep them tips low!
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