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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 19:18:44 GMT
Nice pic of Archimedes for your avatar jason - great mathematician and physicist that explained amongst other things why metal boats float over 2000 years ago. Strange how some folk still don't know why don't you think ?? Anyways get yersel on 12 LB Daiwa sensor - change it every year. Put a 11.5 lb froghair fluorocarbon as a 3-4 ft hooklength and you will fool and land any barbel swimming in British waters. p.s I don't hold it against him for devising the Archimedean screw that I hope the electrical generator version of won't be built at Topcliffe Weir.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Jun 7, 2015 20:12:50 GMT
It's Ok Geoff he was just the first person to write about it in a European language.
I blame the Assyrians meself. Coming over here with their water pumps and taking our water carrying jobs.
And don't get me started on the Beaker Folk.
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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 20:36:09 GMT
OoOH NIGE love to know of your evidence for first person - big claim that ! big on screws crap on fishing wasn't he ? p.s as a member of Vemuyden house at Thorne Grammar School water engineering especially dutch in my area of South Yorks go us out of the swamps !
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Post by keepitreal on Jun 7, 2015 20:50:55 GMT
Used sensor for years without much issue. Passed two though have been using synchro st in 15lb for all my barbelfishinfishing and its a slight improvement on sensor (casts and knots better), thrice the cost though!
Like Jason pointed out diameter should be considered, barbel live round boulders and snags and thin lines will not stand up to the strain.
Jon
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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 21:01:11 GMT
Sorry mate have to disagree. Barbel can be caught on barge rope in coloured/flood water. You can use 12 inch bottoms with 20 lb mono and catch ! Why did you change from sensor when it was so good for you though. Casts better - how far out do you fish ?? As for knots use a 5 turn grinner wetted for any type of fishing, or line,and you won't go far wrong. Barbel can be caught right across the river just get on 12 lb at least mainline with knots you have proved are man enough and off you go. It's easy fishing for river pigs!!
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Post by keepitreal on Jun 7, 2015 21:26:09 GMT
That was my point on the diameter- the thicker the better!
Just fancied a change from sensor, 12 is too light for some of the swims I fish and 15 is very springy! I tend to use a polomar knot and found with sensor it sometimes didn't slide down right first time, and a bit of play on a knot makes it prone to damage. The syncro slides down solid every time.
Most of my barbel fishing is close in, but one of the swims I fish on the tidal Trent require a cast of 50yds or so across and downstream. (I found a very good holding area fishing ot from the other bank but was having a nightmare with what I can only assume a bedrock ledge, and was getting done on 15lb sensor, now I fish the swim from the other bank hence the long chuck!).
Jon
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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 21:37:18 GMT
My advice mate Stick to our fabulous Yorkshire Rivers - spend a lot of time over a few areas over a season at all times of day. The rewards are there if you put the effort in.My mate pulled a fish out of my swim well over 14lb on the swale after I left it-- ouch! To me those that go down to the Trent are those that want easy fishing - bit like Jimmy going all the way to France to fish an even easier water with fat stocked lardy fish - oops! may have upset some folks again !
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Jun 7, 2015 21:48:20 GMT
My advice mate Stick to our fabulous Yorkshire Rivers - spend a lot of time over a few areas over a season at all times of day. The rewards are there if you put the effort in.My mate pulled a fish out of my swim well over 14lb on the swale after I left it-- ouch! To me those that go down to the Trent are those that want easy fishing - bit like Jimmy going all the way to France to fish an even easier water with fat stocked lardy fish - oops! may have upset some folks again ! Geoff your such a clown it's untrue pal,,. I challenge you to do better,,. I DARE you to do better,,, Grinner knot lol,,, a grinner knot is self tightening and is not a good knot,,, especially for tieing leaders,, keepitreel knows what he's on about by using the palomar knot., just goes to show you should stick to those Virmin easy to catch spotty idiot trout I'm so thankful you don't fish for my beloved carp,,, CLOWN
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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 21:55:16 GMT
Caught lots of crap Jimmy - most on bread as I told you. I have caught big fish using a 5 turn grinner over 50 yrs with no hooklength breakages - think you are not doing it right p.s I tie a palomar when I need a small knot above the eye - eg grayling fishing on a size 16 or smaller on rivers with slow flow rates - they get time to inspect the hook set-up. Your hooklength is sunk - hopefully - on stillwaters - you don't need any finesse -which is why you catch on size 6 wide gapes !!
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Jun 7, 2015 21:57:49 GMT
Caught lots of crap Jimmy - most on bread as I told you. I have caught big fish using a 5 turn grinner over 50 yrs with no hooklength breakages - think you are not doing it right Hmmmm Gcb telling jimmy he's not doing it right,,. Do you know how many people are reading that statement and laughing at you ?? Your a clown pal,, stop mentioning my name into every post you do,,, Just move on with your life lad,,,
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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 22:04:55 GMT
Jimbobs - don't try to kid a kidder ! I like people laughing at me it's real! discuss buddy. I am a happy soul happy in my skin fella - you ain't gonna dent it!
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Post by keepitreal on Jun 7, 2015 22:07:11 GMT
Love the Yorkshire rivers Geoff, fished and caught barbel from them all bar the Derwent and the rother. The Trent is a different beast altogether and is strangely addictive, doubles are definitely easier to come by and I'd say a 14 from there is the equivalent. Not all easy though, and some stretches are fairly peaceful.
Jon
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Post by keepitreal on Jun 7, 2015 22:17:24 GMT
Oh and the Aire aswell, must have a go down the tidal stretches this season!
Trout are fantastic fish jimmy aslong as their brown and in there natural inviroment. A 4lder I had many years ago, I still regard, pound for pound hardest fighting fish I've ever caught, it swam up a riffle like a steam train leaving the whole river rocking!
Catfish are meant to go well, but I don't like the look of them, so never had one to compare fighting prowess.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Jun 7, 2015 22:19:13 GMT
for me from now on it's palomar for hooks and maybe short hooklengths, 5-turn grinner for longer hooklengths, but TBH I'd use the grinner for all hooklengths now.
cos i've only just started catching bigger fish that fight hard (yes my three trips to the commercials have been good for something), I've only just discovered that my bloodknots can fail, and have failed, with thicker line. Two failures with fish on the method were more than enough, one each on my first two visits to commercials, and I simply won't be tying a blood knot again.
This is basic stuff to you lot I know but I'm glad to have learned it in time for the barbel season.
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Post by gcb on Jun 7, 2015 22:45:40 GMT
The palomar is a strong and small knot so I use it on small hooks - say size 16 and below. Bigger hooks - I use the 5 turn grinner ....anywhere , any line , any condition. If you are ledgering on the bottom not sure it matters. I use an 8 turn knotless knot and a hair for a lot of my barbel fishing.
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