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Post by cabbo on Jul 13, 2015 18:47:13 GMT
Have to agree Eddie,I've always been a big believer in maxima and had no problems with it but this season on the advice of this thread thought I would have a change and with the season approaching I put the daiwa sensor on my reels and I have to say been well impressed so far and at a very reasonable price . Cabbo
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Post by zippy on Aug 5, 2015 7:31:17 GMT
Arghhh. I've lost more fish than landed this year and all to failed mainline. I was fishing hyper sensor which has landed some good fish but has it's issues with failings. Having lost 2 early this season, switched back to normal sensor. I have since landed fish on it of no weight, 5 lb max. Last night I was fishing asenby and got a Great take(bait runner on Nige) struck into the fish( tight clutch as I was tight to the snag) first lunge under tension, the clutch started to kick in and the line gave a foot from the rod tip. my main concern is the fish welfare and confidence every time I get a bite is non existent. I'm waiting to lose the fish. Both rods were stripped and respooled 4 sessions ago, 12' was removed prior to fishing the session and the line is 12lb. there are a lot of advocates of the sensor but I can't trust it any longer. I think I'll have to switch. Maxima? And am I really going to have to step up to 15lb?
Yours
Despairing angler
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Post by Eddie on Aug 5, 2015 18:55:18 GMT
That sounds soul destroying zippy, can't be any fun fishing without confidence in your main line! All I can say is I haven't had any problems and only lost one fish and that was a hook link failure anyway. I've had some nice fish and the line has been ragged through snags and ended up quite roughed up, but touch wood never let me down, so in my case confidence in 12lb sensor is sky high. Hope your luck changes!
Eddie.
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Post by nige_LS7 on Aug 5, 2015 19:34:18 GMT
I switched to 12lb Sensor at the start of the season and it's been great, even when fishing bedrock swims on the Wye (where layers of rock define the main gully where the barbs live).
And 'cos every barbel I've ever landed in my life has been on this line, and only hooks and hooklengths have broken in the 5 fish i've lost (with 8 landed), I have had no bad experiences.
Are you sure that there's nothing damaging your line in advance? have you checked all the rod rings? Do you carry made up rods in a rod sling? Do you use the line clip on the spool and is there any issue with that?
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Post by quint on Aug 5, 2015 20:02:25 GMT
I've just ordered 2 Shimano aero x 4000 FA's and just contemplating what to use on them, my favourite line of the last 5 years has been Sufix Xcelon but they no longer make it, superb line, why do they do that, just stop making a good product. Anyway I was thinking of going back to plain old reliable sensor, apparently the 12lb breaks at 16.5lb Take a look here at the line tests Tackle Box did on various lines. www.tacklebox.co.uk/pdfs/line_tests_issue3a.pdf
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Post by stevo53 on Aug 5, 2015 20:44:15 GMT
I've just ordered 2 Shimano aero x 4000 FA's and just contemplating what to use on them, my favourite line of the last 5 years has been Sufix Xcelon but they no longer make it, superb line, why do they do that, just stop making a good product. Anyway I was thinking of going back to plain old reliable sensor, apparently the 12lb breaks at 16.5lb Take a look here at the line tests Tackle Box did on various lines. www.tacklebox.co.uk/pdfs/line_tests_issue3a.pdfYes i agree mate I am still using some 10lb shimano catana line I bought for carping Its discontinued now but an awesome line tough as old boots and breaks way above the 10lb rating. I have been using 10 lb daiwa sensor for hook links and Its been good also not quite as strong as the Catana but not as thick either I like to use a weaker hook link again Its a throwback to my old match fishing days. At least I think the daiwa Is thinner just noticed your link to the tacklebox line test need to check It out, I have some shimano tribal line that appears to be very similar to the catana If not the same comes In a tin and you could pick It up cheap on e bay but I cannot vouch for It as I havent loaded any onto a reel as yet. Sensor seems sensible option to me Must give the braid a go for my hook lengths two foot six inch and less any more than that i will stick with the mono
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Post by zippy on Aug 5, 2015 21:28:46 GMT
Nige I do keep / carry them made up but because of this strip the 12' off to remove any potentially damaged line. The thought that the rings maybe causing damage has crossed my mind and I have checked them but there is no consistency at all. I've had it broken close to the hook link which could be put down to damage from an unseen snag but the other occasions have been mid line to hook link. The line that failed was the last of a bulk spool? Surely this can't effect the quality? I have just, prior to the last nightmare purchased a new spool of the 12lb sensor. The number of advocates of the stuff on here I'm thinking I've had a bad quantity of the line, combined with mistakes from me contributing to the failings? Who knows. It's a confidence game, just hope it returns and quick!
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Post by keepitreal on Aug 5, 2015 22:19:37 GMT
Nowt ring with sensor, you'll struggle to find a stronger line. If the 12lb isn't up to the job step up to 15, and use at least a 12lb hookleght. Been using 15lb mainline for last few years (sensor then synchro st, which rates similar to the sensor in the tackle box tests) and I have not had a mainline failure, that I can think of. Was done, albeit not often on 12lb sensor, but enough to make me up it to 15.
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Post by sweetcornkid on Aug 6, 2015 10:21:50 GMT
Although Sensor's a good all round line and great value for money it isn't as abbrasion resistent as some lines. Years ago in Carp World Jim Gibbinson did a test on lines similar to the Tackle box one but also tested their abbrasion resistance by tying a weight to a line and then drawing the weighted line over a rough surface up and down a number of times until the line broke. I dont have the article any more but there were big differances between lines with Pro Gold been the winner. IF i were carp fishing a snaggy water with hit and hold tactics i'd rather have 15lb Pro Gold over 20lb Sensor, iv'e tried both in such a situation, because aithough sensor might be stonger BS wise it gets roughed up easier. If your having line doubt's give it a try although its expensive i doubt you'd regret it. For me it's the Maxima of the 21st century
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Post by sweetcornkid on Aug 6, 2015 13:28:00 GMT
OK im bored and cant go fishing so i tried to re create jim gibbinsons experimet. with approx 1'10oz of lead weights clipped together and a metal file i lowered then raised the weights 12" at right angles over the file until the line gave way. I tested each line 3 times the results are quite intresting.
LINE -- STATED BS-- STATED DIA-- No of drop then raise cycles Maxima 15-- .37-- 10/9/10 Gardener gt80 15-- .40-- 25/25/30 Pro Gold 15-- .38-- 21/28/22 Sensor 18-- .405-- 11/8/11 Suffix Tritanium 24-- .40-- 28/35/31 Pro Gold 10-- .305-- 12/11/8
The suffix was a suprise its a pretty cheap line marketed for sea fishing but even in clear it's a bit shiny. Still the Sensors coming off my multipliers and thats going on. It was noticeable that the Maxima and Sensor started to rough up in the first stroke or two where as the others were approaching or into double figures before the started to whiten and fluff up a bit. All the lines are under a year old with the exceptions Pro golds (6 years stored in darkness) and gt80 (8 years stored in darkness)
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Post by nige_LS7 on Aug 6, 2015 16:26:01 GMT
interesting stuff 'kid.
Meanwhile a member of my household seems to have come back from Bobco (she works near there) with quite a lot of brand new gear that let's just say would not be stuff I would have bought myself. Apparently it was going cheap, but there's probably a reason for that. She's got herself an Avon rod for some heavier trotting ... I'll have to get her that centrepin now I suppose.
Anyone used the Sufix Duo Core Camo line she's bought? Any good? Or were they just trying to get rid of it?
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Post by gcb on Aug 6, 2015 19:28:55 GMT
Guys just load up with 12 lb sensor. Check it regularly for abrasion on the last 15 metres. Cut it back to new line if needs be - you can do this several times - I have yet to need a whole line respool during the season - but the line is cheap enough to allow a respool if you think it necessary. Better stop now - I keep repeating myself.
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Post by quint on Aug 6, 2015 20:53:51 GMT
interesting stuff 'kid. Meanwhile a member of my household seems to have come back from Bobco (she works near there) with quite a lot of brand new gear that let's just say would not be stuff I would have bought myself. Apparently it was going cheap, but there's probably a reason for that. She's got herself an Avon rod for some heavier trotting ... I'll have to get her that centrepin now I suppose. Anyone used the Sufix Duo Core Camo line she's bought? Any good? Or were they just trying to get rid of it? Never bought anything Sufix that hasn't been quality mate, top line manufacturer, some say the best.
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Post by rushy on Aug 6, 2015 21:42:19 GMT
Zippy , funnily enough I've still got my 15lb line on from the Trent and have fished with it a few times since coming back and have caught on it . . . . I'm beginning to wonder wether just to leave it on and not bother putting the 12lb back on. Have you seen the thickness and strength of 15lb sensor . . . Surely nothing can break that ! Well , I certainly can't when I cast it into a willow
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Post by keepitreal on Aug 7, 2015 0:04:20 GMT
Interesting stuff there sweetcorn kid, surprised the maxima and sensor came up so bad in comparison to others!
Like Geoff says its always best to check line for any abrasions, and cut it back. I would go with 15 though, its what I need on the Trent and certain Ouse and nidd swims I believe, and I don't mess about swaping spools between rivers/ swims! I don't think it affects my catch rate in anyway whatsoever.
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