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Post by Eddie on Dec 29, 2014 14:19:31 GMT
When the horses at knotford have been mentioned at delegates meetings the answer always is Leeds have some sort of arrangement with Andy that allows grazing for him keeping an eye on the venue, it's all been mentioned on forum before and we all know it doesn't work. As far as I understand it, Andy doesn't own the land he is living on and the sale of Leeds land hasn't been paid for yet, do we really want him as a permanent neighbour inside the otter fence? Dare I suggest the sale of land would be a mistake! What are we afraid of at Leeds. The answer is simple, no horses on our land inside the otter fence full stop! With respect the decision to make a deal to let Andy graze his horses, although made with the best of intention, has proved to be a mistake and needs to end. What is preventing us taking such a simple step to resolve the problem. I don't know if Leeds have signed anything with Andy, but I will try and find out, but no sale can be final till money changes hands. We seem to be at a critical moment were we either make another mistake or are brave enough to take the bull by the horns and resolve the problem with the only realistic answer: NO HORSES INSIDE THE OTTER FENCE! under any circumstances. How can we expect anglers to pay for night permits and get a third rate venue in return? This needs urgent action before it's too late. If the land is sold the problem will become permanent! I, at first thought a reasonable deal could be made that everyone would be happy with, over the weeks I have seen how this is not possible, when even fences on Leeds land have been trashed and horses let loose over the entire venue. The problem with trying to come to a comprise solution with Andy, is he just takes advantage of every chance to use the free grazing, with no regard for the damage to the venue, he's had plenty of chances to play ball, and this is happening before he has bought any land inside the otter fence. I believe Graham has worked really hard to resolve this situation and respect his efforts, but it's not him who is letting us down and it's not the anglers being over whingey. No it's Andy and his horses that are the problem. Anglers only inside the otter fence, within reason, Andy can do what he likes with the land outside.
Eddie.
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Post by silverfish on Dec 29, 2014 14:55:59 GMT
I think you will find that the land that has been sold or is to be sold is all outside the otter fence mate, that being the whole idea of him having is horses on his own land outside the fence and away from us anglers, that's my understanding anyway.
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Post by Eddie on Dec 29, 2014 15:44:05 GMT
The latest suggested land for sale is on the water works bank and definitely inside the otter fence, I have seen the proposed plan. What's more to get his horses to it Andy will be bringing them from his present gate over Leeds land to a new gate. So he will have two access points and plenty of opportunity to take advantage of the free grazing around knotford if he decides to ignore the new arrangement Funds are needed for 90 meters of fencing to make a paddock for him, which is supposed to come from the proceeds of the sale(which hasn't been paid as yet), that is what Graham has been trying to sort out at the moment. The first plot is outside the otter fence and I don't imagine anyone has a problem with that. I'm not anti Andy and provided his endeavours have no impact on the venue and he keeps his horses off the bankside(outside the otter fence looks a sensible option to me), like I said good luck to him, he can do as he likes! But surely all this effort could be avoided by simply not selling the second plot and keeping his horses outside the otter fence. Remember once sold, whatever situation we end up with, we are stuck with permanently. It's even been suggested that if the council decide to move him from his present location,(he doesn't own that land, I believe),he could move onto the land he is buying, so it's not inconceivable that he could potentially end up living inside the otter fence!
Eddie.
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Knotty
Dec 29, 2014 16:03:33 GMT
Post by silverfish on Dec 29, 2014 16:03:33 GMT
I think both pieces of land are definitely outside and is it possible the stockade is inside the otter fence
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Post by Eddie on Dec 29, 2014 16:58:09 GMT
I think both pieces of land are definitely outside and is it possible the stockade is inside the otter fence Fair enough silverfish, I thought the second plot was the land I described, I did have a look at Grahams plan and had a brief chat about it with him at the last delegates meeting, that was a few weeks ago before Christmas though and I don't want the thread to turn into argument, maybe if Graham could clarify the proposed land for sale we would all be certain, if not I will double check when I go to the next meeting at Leeds and post the proposed site on here so we all can be 100% sure. Eddie.
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Knotty
Dec 29, 2014 19:25:26 GMT
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Post by wrighty29 on Dec 29, 2014 19:25:26 GMT
I think the agreement started when there were problems with other gypsies turning up. Andy was not even there it was another family if gypsies. When andy moved on there he just inherited this agreement I think. If he owns the land they will move into it as they are short of space on the current plot. Sell him nothing is my view or it will end in the lake bring ruined even more
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Post by northface on Dec 29, 2014 20:23:31 GMT
Sell nothing! The banks are knackered as it is.... If you sell him land you might as well sell the lot! Good comments Eddie. At the very worst let him have what's outside the otter fence.....other than that lock the gates and reclaim your land that he's trespassing on!!!!!!!!! Get a grip Leeds! Your sat on one of the best carp waters in Yorkshire! Failing this I may choose a gypsy life myself as it seems you don't have to pay nowt into the system and get whatever you want -Free grazing - no bales to buy -Free 30 grand fence to retain your horses -Free paddock fencing inside the otter fence I know people who'd pay £££££'s for that! Sod working 6 days a week and getting taxed!
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Post by northface on Dec 29, 2014 20:42:37 GMT
On the plus side knotty this morning! What a venue!
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Post by rushy on Dec 29, 2014 21:59:18 GMT
I think both pieces of land are definitely outside and is it possible the stockade is inside the otter fence Fair enough silverfish, I thought the second plot was the land I described, I did have a look at Grahams plan and had a brief chat about it with him at the last delegates meeting, that was a few weeks ago before Christmas though and I don't want the thread to turn into argument, maybe if Graham could clarify the proposed land for sale we would all be certain, if not I will double check when I go to the next meeting at Leeds and post the proposed site on here so we all can be 100% sure. Eddie. I've been down to the club tonight to collect the yearbooks and managed to grab a few minutes with Graham in between him wading through his workload. The two,pieces of land in the process of being sold to Andy are OUTSIDE the otter fence. The proposed "paddock" for the horses to graze in is INSIDE the otter fence. The entrance to this paddock will be through the western end of the two,plots of sold land. This paddock will be self contained with water troughs etc so there will be no need for the horses to leave the paddock. Hope this clarifies the matter. I do have a copy of the above plan but I'm up at half 5 to go Piking in the morning so I' afraid it's beeboos for me rather than trying to download and upload it. I will do it as soon as I have a bit of spare time though. All the best Dave R Ps. Great piccys Northface . . . Looking forward to giving it a go in Spring. I've only Pike fished it so far !
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Post by winter55 on Dec 29, 2014 22:16:36 GMT
And what do you think the gypsey is going to do once his horses have eaten all the grass in his paddock ? come on get a grip leeds you are there to represent the members not look after the gypsey and his horses
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Post by Eddie on Dec 29, 2014 22:44:23 GMT
Cheers for that Dave, there you go silverfish spot on mate. So all the land bought is outside the fence, I apologise my mistake. The land inside the fence he uses and has access to belongs to Leeds! Andy was going to electro fence this off and Graham listened to concerns and asked Leeds for funding for a proper fence that Leeds control. And if the new gate isn't on Leeds property and we can close the other access Andy has to knotford, I suppose it could work. I just sense anglers on knotford have lost faith in Andy and what he says he will do and would like Leeds to take control of the situation. While he has his entrance intact I can't see what is stopping him putting his horses back on when it suits him. It would still be a lot less expensive, simpler and more secure, if the otter fence was the limit of his domain and inside belongs to Leeds full stop.
Eddie.
Ps. Northface, I meant to say, they are really nice photos mate!
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Knotty
Dec 29, 2014 23:50:22 GMT
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Post by wrighty29 on Dec 29, 2014 23:50:22 GMT
Cheers for that Dave, there you go silverfish spot on mate. So all the land bought is outside the fence, I apologise my mistake. The land inside the fence he uses and has access to belongs to Leeds! Andy was going to electro fence this off and Graham listened to concerns and asked Leeds for funding for a proper fence that Leeds control. And if the new gate isn't on Leeds property and we can close the other access Andy has to knotford, I suppose it could work. I just sense anglers on knotford have lost faith in Andy and what he says he will do and would like Leeds to take control of the situation. While he has his entrance intact I can't see what is stopping him putting his horses back on when it suits him. It would still be a lot less expensive, simpler and more secure, if the otter fence was the limit of his domain and inside belongs to Leeds full stop. Eddie. Ps. Northface, I meant to say, they are really nice photos mate! I agree andy has no buisness inside the otter fence. What can us (the members do about it)
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Knotty
Dec 30, 2014 18:12:17 GMT
Post by rushy on Dec 30, 2014 18:12:17 GMT
Cheers for that Dave, there you go silverfish spot on mate. So all the land bought is outside the fence, I apologise my mistake. The land inside the fence he uses and has access to belongs to Leeds! Andy was going to electro fence this off and Graham listened to concerns and asked Leeds for funding for a proper fence that Leeds control. And if the new gate isn't on Leeds property and we can close the other access Andy has to knotford, I suppose it could work. I just sense anglers on knotford have lost faith in Andy and what he says he will do and would like Leeds to take control of the situation. While he has his entrance intact I can't see what is stopping him putting his horses back on when it suits him. It would still be a lot less expensive, simpler and more secure, if the otter fence was the limit of his domain and inside belongs to Leeds full stop. Eddie. Ps. Northface, I meant to say, they are really nice photos mate! I agree andy has no buisness inside the otter fence. What can us (the members do about it) PM sent Wrighty
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Post by jb on Jan 2, 2015 3:09:26 GMT
On the plus side knotty this morning! What a venue! And that's why we should preserve knotford for what it is. Not a railway sleeper or a dug out swim insight.no b@llnuts just fishing on people's terms, that can't be asking that much I
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Knotty
Jan 2, 2015 9:02:38 GMT
Post by winter55 on Jan 2, 2015 9:02:38 GMT
Eddie.[/quote]I've been down to the club tonight to collect the yearbooks and managed to grab a few minutes with Graham in between him wading through his workload. The two,pieces of land in the process of being sold to Andy are OUTSIDE the otter fence.
The proposed "paddock" for the horses to graze in is INSIDE the otter fence. The entrance to this paddock will be through the western end of the two,plots of sold land. This paddock will be self contained with water troughs etc so there will be no need for the horses to leave the paddock.
Hope this clarifies the matter. I do have a copy of the above plan but I'm up at half 5 to go Piking in the morning so I' afraid it's beeboos for me rather than trying to download and upload it. I will do it as soon as I have a bit of spare time though.
All the best
Dave R
So looks like the sale of the land is going full steam ahead then despite it seems everyone (expect you and mr park) strongly oppose the decision ie the members you represent, Well can you just tell the members what possible benefit to the club the sale of the land will be and please dont come out with (andy looks after the lake rubbish) I think if you sell the land it will without doubt be the worst decision in the history of leeds angling club and will cost you even more members.
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