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Post by gcb on Aug 10, 2014 19:10:01 GMT
I can't see how anything could be legally binding without obtaining opinions from the club membership or to have given opportunities for members to raise their concerns.
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Post by rushy on Aug 10, 2014 19:26:30 GMT
we certainly do hope our objections count geoff rushy is trying to find out if the club have signed a legal binding contract or not
Well I've gone boggle eyed with Google and reading that much info on this project but I cant find anything relating to this. I suppose the easy option is for Stan to advise or maybe Duncan can shed some light on it as a result of his previously mentioned discussion with Stan ?
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Post by ronny on Aug 10, 2014 19:27:57 GMT
Can't an emergency meeting be called about this and get stan and co to attend
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Post by gcb on Aug 10, 2014 19:49:37 GMT
Most of these Archimedean turbines have only been introduced within the last 10 yrs and it has been suggested that they are ok on waters that do not contain quality fish and where the water is of low quality. Neither of which applies to the swale below Topcliffe weir - I'm sorry but this water is just too precious to experiment on! The research papers are available on the net if you don't mind a few equations and realise that a lot of the research is funded by the manufacturers and those that get research grants by studying the impact of their hydropower generators. Not sure stan's speciality is hydroelectric power generation and it's possible affect on the fish populations due to variations in flow rates, subsequent affects on spawning grounds or damage to larger fish such as chub and barbel when they enter the leading edge of these turbines and then pass through them possibly bouncing off the sides - but if he can maybe he will let us know on here. geoff
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Post by jason on Aug 10, 2014 20:09:52 GMT
I have to agree with Geoff on this .The only organisations I can find who are promoting these schemes in a positive manner, are the Hydro companies themselves or "independent" companies working on behalf of said companies.
Jason
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Aug 10, 2014 20:13:24 GMT
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Post by rushy on Aug 10, 2014 20:19:08 GMT
Interesting report found by Geoff - here it is to save you going through the web link :
The Angling Trust has raised concerns that the Community Energy Strategy announced by Energy Minister Ed Davey today, coupled with the already generous Feed in Tariffs offered by government, will lead to a fresh wave of applications for planning permission for hydropower turbines from community groups that could do great damage to fisheries for many decades to come.
In response, the Trust has published a free guidance document to community groups and developers to provide practical advice about how to reduce the impact of hydropower on fish and other wildlife. The Angling Trust has reviewed hundreds of applications for hydropower schemes in recent years and its experts have concluded that the majority of them would have a detrimental impact on the ecology of rivers. It has successfully objected to numerous schemes and Fish Legal, which acts as the Angling Trust’s legal arm in England, even managed to get a legal injunction to stop a major hydropower project going ahead last year on the River Trent. The Trust has also battled successfully over the past four years with the Salmon & Trout Association to get new guidelines introduced by the Environment Agency which should reduce the scale and number of schemes coming forward. According to Government figures, the maximum amount of electricity that could be generated by all of the 26,000 sites which have potential for run of river hydropower would be less than 0.5% of national electricity demand, and in practice it will be much less than this because many schemes would be unfeasible. The Angling Trust has repeatedly questioned whether it makes sense to support hydropower with public subsidy when it can do great damage to fisheries and yet generates so little power on a national scale. Many community groups have spent considerable time and money developing plans for schemes which have turned out to be unfeasible. For example, North Devon Council wasted almost £150,000 on the development of plans for a community scheme on the East Lyn in North Devon to install a new concrete weir to generate hydropower. With one of the last healthy salmon populations in England, this beautiful river is a Site of Special Scientific Interest and the scheme was axed. Other community groups who have managed to get permission to develop have been disappointed when the financial returns promised by consultants has failed to materialise. Mark Lloyd, chief executive of the Angling Trust said: “We are very concerned that these grants will lead to another wave of damaging and pointless hydropower developments that will damage our fisheries for generations. Our advice document is aimed at communities who are motivated to do their bit to save the planet from climate change, but who might not be aware that their schemes might actually do more harm to the environment than good. The Angling Trust wants to avoid communities’ good intentions leading to unintended consequences and urges them to look at other ways of generating power than hydropower.”
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Post by dranv8 on Aug 10, 2014 20:31:05 GMT
You got my yes
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Post by Springer on Aug 11, 2014 6:02:23 GMT
This madness needs stopping now before it goes too far .
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Post by stanfish on Aug 11, 2014 10:00:51 GMT
hi guys.first of all the club is not run for forum members to control the club,although we do value your opinions,we have been dealing with this at the delegates for over 2 years,every measure that could be checked has been,the e/a are all for this to happen as it brings a state of the art fish pass with it,i would not profess to be an expert on hydro power, if i thought for one moment it would harm any fish i would not have recommended it to the delegates in the first instance,so with my trustees hat on here is what we get out of the deal.a road to the river and a hard sanding area to park on,a fish pass suitable for all fish including elvers and lamprey,and a % of all money raised by the scheme estimated to be over half a £ million over 40 years with no cost to the club for maintainence,that kind of money should gaurantee the financal future of leeds £ dist.if you want to object go to the meeting in harrogate with your arguments wrote down and object there,thats what the meeting is for,if you want your say at the club please please put your name forward we need some more people with time to help run leeds & dist,stan..ps, remember the wier was built to supply hydro power in the first place,the fish mincer turbines are under the mill,this time the power will come from a fish safe [e/a] archameedes screw
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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 11, 2014 10:24:17 GMT
If the hydro scheme gets the go ahead l will give up on leeds membership. Its only being considered for the cash benefits by people that don't fish rivers, I have fished the weir pool season in season out for more than twenty years. If the scheme goes ahead the right bank of the weir will not be fishable leaving what a hundred yards or so near the island that will change anyway. The club must not allow this. Mick.
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Post by pinuser1 on Aug 11, 2014 10:47:25 GMT
sounds to me its a foregone conclusion,for ££££s. remember the catterick complex leeds didnt seem to take much notice of the loyal society members where that was concerned, didnt even keep them properly informed. its probable that this will go the same way..it will be a sad job if it does and in my opinion rural vandalism at its best too such a treasured, iconic stretch of the swale.
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Post by rushy on Aug 11, 2014 10:52:51 GMT
hi guys .first of all the club is not run for forum members to control the club,although we do value your opinions,we have been dealing with this at the delegates for over 2 years,every measure that could be checked has been,the e/a are all for this to happen as it brings a state of the art fish pass with it,i would not profess to be an expert on hydro power, if i thought for one moment it would harm any fish i would not have recommended it to the delegates in the first instance,so with my trustees hat on here is what we get out of the deal.a road to the river and a hard sanding area to park on,a fish pass suitable for all fish including elvers and lamprey,and a % of all money raised by the scheme estimated to be over half a £ million over 40 years with no cost to the club for maintainence,that kind of money should gaurantee the financal future of leeds £ dist.if you want to object go to the meeting in harrogate with your arguments wrote down and object there,thats what the meeting is for,if you want your say at the club please please put your name forward we need some more people with time to help run leeds & dist,stan..ps, remember the wier was built to supply hydro power in the first place,the fish mincer turbines are under the mill,this time the power will come from a fish safe [e/a] archameedes screw Hi Stan - not sure it was necessary to open your reply with that statement ........ could very easily be taken the wrong way But on that point. As you are aware , we have 428 members affiliated to clubs who get to voice their opinion through the Delegates once a month. We have 1074 members who are unattached - 72% of the membership. Other than the forum , how do they get to voice their opinion on a regular basis ? Dave R
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Post by nightline on Aug 11, 2014 11:15:37 GMT
hi guys.first of all the club is not run for forum members to control the club,although we do value your opinions,we have been dealing with this at the delegates for over 2 years,every measure that could be checked has been,the e/a are all for this to happen as it brings a state of the art fish pass with it,i would not profess to be an expert on hydro power, if i thought for one moment it would harm any fish i would not have recommended it to the delegates in the first instance,so with my trustees hat on here is what we get out of the deal.a road to the river and a hard sanding area to park on,a fish pass suitable for all fish including elvers and lamprey,and a % of all money raised by the scheme estimated to be over half a £ million over 40 years with no cost to the club for maintainence,that kind of money should gaurantee the financal future of leeds £ dist.if you want to object go to the meeting in harrogate with your arguments wrote down and object there,thats what the meeting is for,if you want your say at the club please please put your name forward we need some more people with time to help run leeds & dist,stan..ps, remember the wier was built to supply hydro power in the first place,the fish mincer turbines are under the mill,this time the power will come from a fish safe [e/a] archameedes screw I have just been informed by a contact that the EA determination report states that a Lease does exist between LADASA and UK Hydro Power (A Contract) I have not had site of this but if this is the case, it is not what the delegates agreed to and not the remit they instructed the President to follow. Can we the Forum Members now have a direct question answered by the senior Trustee Graham Park Gen Sec and the President Stan Jeffreys. Has there been an emergency meeting of the Trustees at which they signed a document which constitutes a LEASE which is now in the hands of the Solicitor. If this is the case is it a right of access over the clubs land that’s been given surely progress with construction has not? If this is the case we have been duped though we are all guilty of neglect in not making our presence felt. Duncan
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Post by Steve T on Aug 11, 2014 11:16:02 GMT
I think Stan was right to reply with that statement he’s been honest when saying stuff what the members say we know best. Just remember the attitude next time the members get to vote or have their say in anything else.
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