quint
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Post by quint on Aug 13, 2014 16:54:59 GMT
I can't believe people who run this angling club want this to happen, talk about sh*tting on your own doorstep, the club has survived ok upto now without the cash this will generate, 2500+ members is a very healthy rather large angling club if you ask me.
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Post by gcb on Aug 13, 2014 17:30:08 GMT
Unfortunately balancing the books is not their strongest suit either I think that they are prepared to jeopardise one of the best river stretches in the country to balance the books. Mind you if Bob Roberts wants to do an article on good chub fishing where does Stan take him ? To the best match lengths we have? no to topcliffe of course!
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Post by kevrich on Aug 13, 2014 18:02:53 GMT
linkInteresting video, worth a watch. Kev
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Post by Eddie on Aug 13, 2014 18:21:03 GMT
Well Kev that's certainly worth taking a look at. If someone else who has yet to object had a look. The concerns about lack of proper regulation must be worth bringing to Harrogate councils attention!
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Post by rushy on Aug 13, 2014 20:11:12 GMT
Well Kev that's certainly worth taking a look at. If someone else who has yet to object had a look. The concerns about lack of proper regulation must be worth bringing to Harrogate councils attention! I've posted the link as a comment on the Harrogate Planning Website and requested that the Planning Committee watch it ! Good info that Kev
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Post by Steve T on Aug 14, 2014 7:49:59 GMT
For the first time in my life Iv posted an objection lets hope it adds weight to the no campaign.
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Post by gcb on Aug 14, 2014 8:34:29 GMT
hi guys.first of all the club is not run for forum members to control the club,although we do value your opinions,we have been dealing with this at the delegates for over 2 years,every measure that could be checked has been,the e/a are all for this to happen as it brings a state of the art fish pass with it,i would not profess to be an expert on hydro power, if i thought for one moment it would harm any fish i would not have recommended it to the delegates in the first instance,so with my trustees hat on here is what we get out of the deal.a road to the river and a hard sanding area to park on,a fish pass suitable for all fish including elvers and lamprey,and a % of all money raised by the scheme estimated to be over half a £ million over 40 years with no cost to the club for maintainence,that kind of money should gaurantee the financal future of leeds £ dist.if you want to object go to the meeting in harrogate with your arguments wrote down and object there,thats what the meeting is for,if you want your say at the club please please put your name forward we need some more people with time to help run leeds & dist,stan..ps, remember the wier was built to supply hydro power in the first place,the fish mincer turbines are under the mill,this time the power will come from a fish safe [e/a] archameedes screw[/quote I wouldn't be too hopeful with regard to we will receive a % of all money raised If you look at the financial results from Settle Hydro Ltd which have a similar Archemedean screw on the Ribble it makes for sorry reading 2012 Loss for financial year £9 594 2013 Loss for financial year £14 476 2014 Loss for financial year £23 819
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m001
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Post by m001 on Aug 14, 2014 9:17:22 GMT
With regards to Settle Hydro - here is a copy of a letter from David Hinks, Chair of the Ribble Fisheries Association, sent to The Craven Herald on August 7th following an article asking for new investors in Settle Hydro. David has given permission for this letter to be reproduced:-
Rebuttal to “Hydro Plant seeks new investor to support town”
I read the article under the above headline with great interest. Let me put it into a context which was noticeably missing. Firstly, I have no objection to people putting up money for this white elephant.
I note at least that there were no grandiose comments about how much electricity they would produce which in the past has been negligible. This hydro scheme is not alone in that since it was estimated that if all sites identified as a possible hydro site were fully operational they would produce at most 0.2% of the nation’s electricity needs. Yet this piffling amount is very costly to the taxpayer what with start-up grants, loans from so called green banks, euphemism for tax payers money again and then there is the feed in tariffs, again paid for by the tax payer. What a total waste of money at a time when as a country we are short.
My main objections are on environmental grounds. People believe that hydro’s are green but that is far from the case. It all comes down to water flow and fish migration. The Ribble is/was a major salmonid fishery, always in the top six rivers in England and Wales. The annual rod catch, prior to the hydro working, was worth between £10 and £15 million. The hydro started in Jan 2010 and at the end of that year we had lost 40% of the run as measured by Locks counter and verified by the E.A. We cannot positively identify the hydro as the cause; one rarely can pinpoint an individual event when it comes down to the environment. We will have to say that it was merely a coincidence that the decline in 2010 occurred. Strangely enough the same “coincidence” occurred in 2011 and 2012! .We cannot say with any certainty what happened in 2012 and 2013 since Locks counter stopped working. What we can say is that in 2009 the Ribble was in the top category for salmon rivers not at risk as identified by the E.A. In the 2013 Salmon Assessment the Ribble is now in the bottom category of at risk. This is probably another of those same “coincidences”. Perhaps it is another coincidence that the only club that fishes for salmon above Settle Weir, with records going back over fifty years, has experienced their worst figures ongoing since Jan 2010. Now for your starter for five what opened in 2010?
What we can say with absolute clarity is that after 18 months of pressure we finally got the E.A. to audit the hydro. They found in the previous 12 months 238 occasions when the hydro was “non-compliant” with its licence and there were four warnings. Indeed everything we had said in those 18 months came to be true. People may say then if it so bad why does not the E.A. close it down. Sadly, that is not the way things work and people must remember that DEFRA and DECC want hydro’s to prove politicians are interested in the environment! I note in the article that the hydro wishes money to invest in amongst other things a “variable flow device to allow generation at lower flows”. Given in their licence there are hands off flows plainly stated, which they must not break. I cannot see how they can justify such a device without first getting agreement to change the licence. On reflection given what we know about the hydro working in the past this should not be a problem for them! Salmon are the 11th most endangered species in Europe. Isn’t it about time we gave them some help.
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Post by Eddie on Aug 14, 2014 9:36:41 GMT
The funny thing is (and it really isn't funny at all), if the idea of allowing this hydro disaster to go ahead had been put on forum for members to have their opinions listened to, we would probably not be in the desperate mess Leeds dasa seems to have landed in. But as we have been told, Leeds isn't run for the forum, even if we are the membership of the club!and it is Leeds dasa's forum. Funny, not amusing?
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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 14, 2014 11:10:49 GMT
Angling Times informed about this situation.
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Post by Springer on Aug 14, 2014 11:46:54 GMT
Angling Times informed about this situation. Yep and I've phoned the beano and the dandy
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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 14, 2014 12:00:36 GMT
You may make light of the situation springer but as far as I'm concerned this is serious. The more people that are aware the better.
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Post by Springer on Aug 14, 2014 13:29:20 GMT
Relax and Chill out fella ,nobody's died , and you can huff and puff all you want the delegates run this club not you lads who sit behind your keyboards bleating after it's too late . I suspect there is an ulterior motive by some of the new posters on this thread so I would move with caution rather than let these so called experts work you up into a frenzy .
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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 14, 2014 13:54:10 GMT
Enlighten me....... ulterior motive ?
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Post by shaun39 on Aug 14, 2014 14:19:44 GMT
Relax and Chill out fella ,nobody's died , and you can huff and puff all you want the delegates run this club not you lads who sit behind your keyboards bleating after it's too late . I suspect there is an ulterior motive by some of the new posters on this thread so I would move with caution rather than let these so called experts work you up into a frenzy . thats the whole point, as you say the delegates run this club and thats the problem over this, we have not been told all thats gone on ie signing this and that, i for one have no confidence in them running leeds any more, maybe they think they are mi5 and can do what they want, if this goes through we all need to go to the next agm and vote them all out, they are not representing us or fighting for our fishing rights, feel very isolated at the moment
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