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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 14, 2014 19:45:13 GMT
just tried to register on the Harrogate council site and the system must be down. I filled in my details and created a password , they sent a link that shows error. will try again tomorrow. although I still put the blame on the club for this debacle after all who can blame a business for trying to turn a profit and I'm sure the planners will be under pressure to pass it from the government green department.
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Post by shaun39 on Aug 14, 2014 20:10:47 GMT
At least two of the posters in this debate are delegates. I can assure you it is not a delegate that signs any contracts. Delegates represent their individual clubs. The general running of Leeds dasa is done by committee. Delegates get to vote on proposals on behalf of their club and pass or block them. And can only decide on the facts they are presented with at the time. That is why I believe this forum would be well used to inform members of such proposals as this scheme and test opinion! At least then non attached members get something of a voice too. But on topics such as this, information is key and the delegates have had little more than anyone else. It's only through the good work of certain posters that the pitfalls of such a scheme has come to light and the course of action needed to prevent it. So if you haven't already, and you oppose the scheme, get on Harrogate councils website and oppose it! sorry to all delegates i meant the commitee, and a message to jimmy i dont want to get in any arguments but if it was knotford you would not be happy, after all river fishing is gaining popularity again just look how succesfull the river fest matches have been and barbel fishing grows every year, we have to stick together over this.
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Post by shaun39 on Aug 14, 2014 20:13:04 GMT
There are currently 14 public comments on the Harrogate Council website, not enough by a long way, mine will be on shortly. If I've made a mistake and I have I am prepared to do everything I can to make it right. a mans statement and we are all behind you
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Post by m001 on Aug 14, 2014 21:29:21 GMT
A lot of people are emailing/writing direct to Harrogate Council. Their comments will not yet be seen until HBC load them on the website.
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Aug 14, 2014 21:45:58 GMT
At least two of the posters in this debate are delegates. I can assure you it is not a delegate that signs any contracts. Delegates represent their individual clubs. The general running of Leeds dasa is done by committee. Delegates get to vote on proposals on behalf of their club and pass or block them. And can only decide on the facts they are presented with at the time. That is why I believe this forum would be well used to inform members of such proposals as this scheme and test opinion! At least then non attached members get something of a voice too. But on topics such as this, information is key and the delegates have had little more than anyone else. It's only through the good work of certain posters that the pitfalls of such a scheme has come to light and the course of action needed to prevent it. So if you haven't already, and you oppose the scheme, get on Harrogate councils website and oppose it! sorry to all delegates i meant the commitee, and a message to jimmy i dont want to get in any arguments but if it was knotford you would not be happy, after all river fishing is gaining popularity again just look how succesfull the river fest matches have been and barbel fishing grows every year, we have to stick together over this. I've had my issues with knotford and passed my strong views in the past got me nowhere,,,got me banned and into fist fights.,,up in front of committee, Now I choose to just fish the place and run with the club to ensure my stay there,,,, Life's too short to get knickers in a twist theese days.,,, Especially what my mrs and I have gone through the last 10 days A hydro power thing is last thing to worry me,,, I know it means a lot to you river men but look beyond that,,, 500k a lot a money to a club that makes no profit,,,,
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Post by kevrich on Aug 14, 2014 21:58:54 GMT
LinkI think someone's already mentioned this, but here's the full article Kev
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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 14, 2014 22:04:18 GMT
Jimmy some things are worth a fight and this is one of them !
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Aug 14, 2014 22:15:43 GMT
Jimmy some things are worth a fight and this is one of them ! Hope you lads get what you really want,,, but forum chants will come and go You wAnna make a difference join the committee pal,,,, and make informed decisions on behalf of the club,,, and for your members ,,,,,
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Post by patterdalewilson on Aug 14, 2014 23:10:17 GMT
Or bail out and join a different club / syndicate. I'm still young enough to afford this Jimmy as opposed to the skint pensioners you mentioned earlier.
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Post by JIMMY SILVERFISH FULLA on Aug 15, 2014 6:05:58 GMT
Or bail out and join a different club / syndicate. I'm still young enough to afford this Jimmy as opposed to the skint pensioners you mentioned earlier. Not skint/ I said tight moaning ones
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Post by mortia on Aug 15, 2014 6:45:30 GMT
I wasn't calling for the heads of the committee, I was trying to make the point (that one or two others have since) that it is very easy to critiscise other peoples decisions & that very few people will get involved with committees & take on responsibility. So if there was a call for "heads to roll" then someone else has to take on the roll of committee member - they will then find out that when you are on a committee you are "d**ned if you do & d**ned if you don't". I for one take my hat off to anyone who puts themselves up to be shot at. They're like referees, there is no game without them !!
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Post by memsec on Aug 15, 2014 6:59:38 GMT
The funny thing is (and it really isn't funny at all), if the idea of allowing this hydro disaster to go ahead had been put on forum for members to have their opinions listened to, we would probably not be in the desperate mess Leeds dasa seems to have landed in. But as we have been told, Leeds isn't run for the forum, even if we are the membership of the club!and it is Leeds dasa's forum. Funny, not amusing? Serious democratic deficit in LDASA? I’m not clear exactly how LDASA is structured. But it seems to me as if a minority of members are represented by delegates (and I’d be interested to know if those delegates engage with the members they represent?) whilst the majority don't have any representation. Is that right? If so, it's a sorry state of affairs and one which LDASA has to address. Relax and Chill out fella ,nobody's died , and you can huff and puff all you want the delegates run this club not you lads who sit behind your keyboards bleating after it's too late . I suspect there is an ulterior motive by some of the new posters on this thread so I would move with caution rather than let these so called experts work you up into a frenzy . No ulterior motive by this new poster, just a wish not to see a major disaster impact on fishing on the Swale. I’m not even a member of LDASA – I’m in another local club – but I’m worried about the impact of LDASA allowing this hydro to go ahead (if the builders didn't have access across LDASA land, it could not have happened) for its own selfish reasons, without any consideration to what other river users want to see.
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Post by uniboybill on Aug 15, 2014 7:13:51 GMT
My first post on here. Hello everybody.
I voted against the plans and I have registered my opposition on the Harrogate Council site. I watched Tom's video, and I know it didn't look too bad on that. However, I have watched quite a few other videos and information on the net and decided that it was too much of a risk to the fishery to allow it to go ahead unopposed. More than likely money will talk in the end and it will go ahead, but it does seem a shame to me that Leeds DASA have agreed to this without asking members their views beforehand. I first fished Topcliffe around 1986 and caught my first ever barbel there. I have always considered the stretch to be my favourite river fishery, and i would be very sad to see it suffer all for the sake of £10K to Leeds DASA and some nice tax payer subsidies for the landowner.
I renewed my membership of Leeds only a couple of weeks ago, so hearing about this has been a bit of a blow tbh.
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Post by memsec on Aug 15, 2014 7:53:33 GMT
So who is going to stand up against them ? How about members doing what they can to change how LDASA makes and takes its decisions? Get onto the Delegates Forum, change the Committee structure of the club etc. Of course we all know that the vast majority of fishing club members only want to see the fishing given them on a plate but are too lazy and have no public spirit to get involved in committees and working parties to keep that fishing in good order. That is why I believe this forum would be well used to inform members of such proposals as this scheme and test opinion! At least then non attached members get something of a voice too. Well said, Eddie! ... on topics such as this, information is key and the delegates have had little more than anyone else. It's only through the good work of certain posters that the pitfalls of such a scheme has come to light and the course of action needed to prevent it. ... Which suggests that the decision to support the hydro (by leasing access across LDASA land) was made without those making the decision understanding what they were talking about? It is definitely not good work to take such important decisions without seeking the opinions of as many members of the club as possible surely. As I said I read stan's messages to the forum for the whole of the last 2 years. Why has he never mentioned such an important issue - when he clearly had an opportunity to mention this to attached and non attached members ( who make up the majority of members ) ? Maybe he will explain it to us ? It might look as if there’s a “conspiracy” here to push through something that members wouldn't want. But I don't believe that. What has happened (the decision to allow access to the hydro company across LDASA land) is just because the club didn’t have 1) processes to prompt and consider the views of many of its members and 2) a proper understanding of potential implications of the hydro before signing that lease 3) a proper consideration or consultation of the needs of other river users, angling clubs etc. ..... what the hell was all the fuss about. looks like a good bit of buisness to me..... Don't forget 1) there’ll be limited access anywhere near the Archimedes screw for fishing 2) the Bainbridge scheme continues to push all turbine water over the weir, so that the existing weir pool morphology is effectively protected 3) depth of water over the weir is a lot more than the 2cm indicated at Topcliffe 4) the Bainbridge scheme doesn’t look to take anything like 80% of the normal river flow, which the Topcliffe design does 4) the screw doesn't look anything like as large as the planned 4m one at Topcliffe. So yes, it’s not surprising there’s a lot of fuss! .... after all river fishing is gaining popularity again ... Quite so. River fishing is especially key on the Swale, with its national name as a barbel fishery. I know too that at least one other local club has seen an increase of interest from river anglers over the past two years or so. .... when you are on a committee you are "d**ned if you do & d**ned if you don't". I for one take my hat off to anyone who puts themselves up to be shot at. They're like referees, there is no game without them !! Too right! Stand up and be counted, get involved in what is *your* club, and then debates like this one about Topcliffe hydro might then be unnecessary!
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Post by rushy on Aug 15, 2014 9:12:49 GMT
I think we should keep the club constitution and this matter apart - certainly for the time being.
One of the reasons I set up Forum AC was to give non attached members a means of voicing their opinions and finding out what was going on in the club. Springer - I'm not sure if you are just winding people up mate but I'd like to hear your convincing argument for 72% of members not having a say just because they are not members of an affiliated club.
Back on subject - As far as I'm concerned the Trustees made a decision and that has gone forward - there's no need to start calling for heads to roll etc. I'm sure , as long standing dedicated members and supporters of LDASA they made their decision with the future of the club at heart. We all have our own opinions either for or against it and after all, this is a forum so its good to hear both sides of the argument , but certainly arguing amongst ourselves is not going to solve anything.
As has been quoted several times already , the best way to voice your opinion and HAVE IT COUNT is to post on the Planning Link
Rushy
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