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Post by Andy on Jan 15, 2007 23:11:26 GMT
To help Leeds DASA best serve its members, please could you take a few seconds to register your vote in our latest web poll. You will find the voting box at the top right of the homepage at www.leedsdasa.co.ukThanks for your participation, Andy
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bof
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Post by bof on Jan 19, 2007 11:00:44 GMT
Just voted FOR the idea. Now most of my pals will be rolling round on the floor laughing themselves sick at the thought of me voting for small "Commercial" type fisheries. I am after all a confirmed rivers man, in the main. BUT like Stan, that doesn't make me blind to the needs of others. Unless we do something to offer at least some more local fishing of this type, we are going to loose members unnecessarily. I know Gus and co. have done huge amounts of work to bring Catterick on line, for just that purpose, and his bookings and attendance figures show he was right. Now I think that we need to look at any waters that come up nearer to hand, with a view to doing the same again. Just as long as we do not give up any of our river venues ! ;D BOF
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Post by CarpAngler on Jan 23, 2007 19:29:44 GMT
Wasn't Knotford attempted to be turned into a 'match' carp style water. An absolute joke imo and one that backfired drastically.
I've voted no.
People want everything on a plate nowadays. There's lots of cracking fish in the Leeds waters without insulting everyone's intelligence by filling puddles with pellet fed carp.
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Post by kevrich on Jan 24, 2007 9:59:41 GMT
Not entirely against Leeds having another Commercial type fishery.
But what i would be against is; if this involved transforming an established water! to me that is not on.
Kev
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Post by frim on Jan 26, 2007 19:28:52 GMT
re knotford comments- no it wasnt, three hundred 2 to 3 pound carp , and only a quarter of the total bankspace made available to match bookings doesnt make a commercial. I fish the venue and dont want it to become a pellet thrash, but neither should it be boilies and bivies only, knotford could be a jewel for Leeds, but it has to offer more than the chance of cathing an odd lump.
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Post by CarpAngler on Jan 27, 2007 12:31:27 GMT
I agree there Frim that Knotford shouldn't just be about bivvies and boilies but the fact of the matter is that it's exactly that for most of the anglers fishing it.
There's some lovely coarse fish in there but most of the pleasure anglers i see just aren't adept or equipped enough to cope with the weed. It's encouraging people who don't know what they're doing to fish there that will result in fish deaths and the tench and bream being left tethered in the weed due to poor rigs and ignorance. Although i believe the club are going to try and do something about the weed we all know that's just pouring money away. Look at the other side of the road. There's been all sorts of treatments going on there for years..all to no avail and the weed is as bad as ever over there.
Weed goes in cycles and hopefully last year was a bad one. With the winter being so mild alot of weed was left. Even at Christmas it was choked in most places. Hopefully this spring the amount of dead weed about will block some of the light and so stopping the new weed growing.
If so and we have a fairly clear year then all you tench and bream anglers should g oand fill your boots as there's been double figure tench and bream out to the carp lads this year.
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Post by frim on Jan 27, 2007 15:17:23 GMT
Point's taken, it seems we all agree the weed's a bigger problem than the type of angler fishing the place. I dont think you can compare the two lakes due to the massive difference in depth's, The society have taken expert advice [ Bruno Broughton ] who seems to think a large dose of manure will alter the colour and slow things down, personally i see it as a bloody good fertilizer and we should be careful, but it's better than chemical cleaning. As for weed cycles we might have a good year, but will be back to square one in a couple of seasons, so need to get some kind of programme going.
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Post by gusgreaves on Jan 31, 2007 0:06:10 GMT
As some of you will know I along with other willing hard working members spent nine years getting planning permission, repairing the eroded banks and forming the island, which provided some much needed funds for the society at that time running into many thousands of pounds. Unfortunately and to my disgust very little of that money was re-invested in Knotsford. Over the last two years of that period every weekend with two of my company pick-up,s we delivered 100-ton of manure from Horsforth to Knotsford mostly loaded by hand with pitch forks. The following year the weed grew even thicker but the year after it disappeared completely, the water colored up and it fished its head off with roach to two pound tench to 7lb I had a bream of 8lb and plenty of carp were being caught. The problem was then that it needed to be treated each year or at least every other year but with smaller amounts of manure, unfortunately it was never followed up. The reason was that at that time the NRA were prosecuting farmers for polluting waters with slurry and therefore could not in principal give anglers permission to do what amounted to the same thing. I therefore suggested that we use 'Triple Super Phosphate' in the shallow areas of the lake, which would do the same thing as the manure, ie color the water so that the sun light does not get to the bed of the lake and so stops the weed from growing. Unfortunately insufficient was used and was spread in the middle of the lake not the shalow margins and so did no good.
There is one other way of controlling the weed but having read some of the comments here it would not go down well. This would mean stocking thousands of carp into the lake, which in turn by grubbing about for food would keep the color in the water and keep down the weed. The use of a suitable weedkiller's (Casseron 'G') on a water of that size would cost a small fortune and would have to be done in several stages to prevent de-oxygenation of the water as the dead weed rots down. Just a thought, I remember in about 1992 helping to stock hundreds of carp into Knotsford that the bivvy boys now love to catch and back then they were lovely plump pellet fed carp.
Regards Gus Greaves
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Post by gusgreaves on Jan 31, 2007 0:15:37 GMT
Just a quick addition to my comments, the worst thing you could do is to rake the weed out. This will have the effect of propergating the weed which will only make matters worse.
Gus Greaves
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Post by frim on Jan 31, 2007 21:10:37 GMT
gus, Remember the bad pollution, that the Y.W.A said never happened ,is it a coincidence that the weed problem has become worse since then, and if we could have proved responsibilty we might not have been counting the cost now hindsight eh !!!!
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Post by normbotty4 on Feb 3, 2007 20:07:33 GMT
Leeds already have a suitable water on the books that could easily be made into a commercial type waterThis water already has agood head of roach tench perch bream and a few large carp. All that is required is a good stocking of carp. The water is very clear at the moment but I believe that is going to be remedied in the near future with some phoosphates. However that are a few objections this and I do not mean the phosphates 1.Ther is no body to look after it to stop illegal netting etc. That iis not a problem the water still contains a lot oof sunken tree and ther are a number of old rail tucks left on the bottom by the original mining company. also it is too deep to net. The other problem is that there is no money to allocate to this venue as all fish allocations etc go to catterick. Now i have no objections to catterick Gus has done a marvellous job up there and it is now earning money for the society but a venue closer to home could also yeald the same revenue if it was given chance. and thiis venue is Sandwath lake at church fenton. Normbotty
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Post by frim on Feb 4, 2007 20:47:43 GMT
Normbotty, absolutely spot on, Sandwath is a total waste,and used by very few . It directly makes next to no revenue for the society and offers very little for the majority, The poll and recent comments strongly suggest that a local commercial is a priority- sandwath could be perfect! and i am sure would lead to extra yearbook sales in the York, Taddy, Selby areas, [ just look what catterick has done for north east book sales] . As for the costs of stocking, surely extra books and day tickets, could make it self funding relatively quickly, we also have a number of respected members living in and around ulleskelf, so bailiff's may not be a problem.- so why not get the feelings of the members via the forum, give the results to the delegates, light the blue touchpaper and stand well back!!!
Frim
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Post by robp on Feb 7, 2007 10:07:49 GMT
Normbotty, absolutely spot on, Sandwath is a total waste,and used by very few . It directly makes next to no revenue for the society and offers very little for the majority.......... I'm sure those that fish Sandwath regularly don't consider it a "total" waste! It would be interesting to know how much the water costs to run on an annual basis at the moment so the above comments can be substantiated? Whenever I've been to the lake there have usually been at least half a dozen anglers on the water, mainly enjoying good sport, which would suggest there are enough members fishing to justify the water being maintained as a more traditional venue. Rob
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Post by frim on Feb 7, 2007 17:52:43 GMT
robp, We can only say it as we see it, but i still think sandwath could offer more - to so many more, and been owned outright by ourselves is the best option available to give the majority of members what they want without a 100 mile round trip to catterick. I agree it would be nice to know the financial in's and out's( but we shouldn't hold our breath). regards frim.
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Post by normbotty4 on Feb 8, 2007 15:06:02 GMT
robp.The only costs to maintain this fishery are the general maintenance costs. the water is owned outright by the society so there are no rents etc involved. the only stocking that has taken place are the fish netted from templnewsam and roundhay plus a quantity oof bream put in a few years ago . The gp have remade the paths round the pond and most of the peg platforms were made by a member who lives in sandwath lane itself for whom the society will be ever grateful. he still maintains these stands. it was suggested a couple of years ago that this water be opened for match fishing and indeed it is now a match water. but to make this a decent water for match and pleasure anglers it needs stocking paticular with carp to help colour the water. there is no suggestion that pleasure anglers will be left out I for one enjoy going to fish this pond but would like to see a better head of fish. normbotty
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