wally
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Post by wally on May 5, 2014 10:24:22 GMT
Even as a kid I heard tales of massive pike lurking in Knotford lagoon,Leeds flagship still water with a huge head of mixed fish perfect for the specimen hunter and pleasure angler alike.I have fished this water a few times this year and the only fish I have heard of being caught are carp.I have spoken to people on the bank who are targeting silver fish and when asked "had anything" every time the answer is the same,a couple... Looking back over the list of stocked fish it seems silver fish have not been stocked for nearly 25 years...Is there a reason for this,the lake is seems to be devoid of fish apart from carp and starving pike..I know the lake is now classed as a "specimen water" and large carp are the main quarry but wouldn't a health mixed fishery make more sense for the overall health and bio diversity of the water??? The reason I ask is when we arrived yeterday for a bit of piking we were greeted by this.  The bailiff told us it had washed up dead and very thin.Evey pike we caught was very thin in deed but this one took the biscuit.  . In a health fishery this fish should have weighed over 25lb but in its present state would be lucky to scrape 13lb. Stock so slivers Leeds............. |
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Post by dranv8 on May 6, 2014 12:31:47 GMT
That is appalling
something needs doing about it
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binner
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Post by binner on May 7, 2014 14:38:24 GMT
get me how everyone slags the club off,
no fish
they should stock
no interest in big waters like wintersett/knotford
has anyone looked at the bigger picture and thought, why is there no small bait fish in these waters???
i for one beleave its more down to water quality, similar to the rivers.
EU rules have been massivly tightened over the last couple of decades which has lead to much cleaner and clearer water, not exactly good conditions for huge shoals of silvers
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Post by rushy on May 7, 2014 15:25:53 GMT
get me how everyone slags the club off, no fish they should stock no interest in big waters like wintersett/knotford has anyone looked at the bigger picture and thought, why is there no small bait fish in these waters??? i for one beleave its more down to water quality, similar to the rivers. EU rules have been massivly tightened over the last couple of decades which has lead to much cleaner and clearer water, not exactly good conditions for huge shoals of silvers ;-) Hi Binner I'm no biologist or fisheries expert but I'm a bit baffled by the statement that fish can't survive in clean clear water ? I would have thought that the clean clear water coupled with all the weed in Knotford would make an ideal silver fish habitat ..................... but as I say , that's only based on a laymans perception ? |
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Post by grford77 on May 7, 2014 18:13:08 GMT
get me how everyone slags the club off, no fish they should stock no interest in big waters like wintersett/knotford has anyone looked at the bigger picture and thought, why is there no small bait fish in these waters??? i for one beleave its more down to water quality, similar to the rivers. EU rules have been massivly tightened over the last couple of decades which has lead to much cleaner and clearer water, not exactly good conditions for huge shoals of silvers ;-) Hey up Dave.  Not really sure what your trying to say here bud? The water quality at knotsford, I am sure is pretty good bud and there does seem to be an abundance of weed and so I would have thought a large amount of natural food. I for one would think that this would support a large healthy population of silver fish and I know for certain this was the case in the years passed. However recently this does not seem the case. There appears to be very small numbers of silver fish now present or other small fish for that matter. I myself have tried to target them with no success and have also spoken to others and they have caught nothing. Surely we cannot all be that crap? IMHO I do believe there is problem at knotsfords and I don't profess to know what it is, however I do feel it warrants further investigation. Obviously from the previous photos the pike do seem to be suffering, would you not agree? I think if the club was to look into this matter now, when it is being brought to their attention by its members, and not leave the issue unattended, then they might be able to sort it without it becoming worse? I think it would be a shame to let a cracking natural venue like this go down hill, until it just contains a handful of overweight carp being fished for by the same half a dozen anglers. |
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Post by dranv8 on May 7, 2014 21:27:32 GMT
get me how everyone slags the club off, no fish they should stock no interest in big waters like wintersett/knotford has anyone looked at the bigger picture and thought, why is there no small bait fish in these waters??? i for one beleave its more down to water quality, similar to the rivers. EU rules have been massivly tightened over the last couple of decades which has lead to much cleaner and clearer water, not exactly good conditions for huge shoals of silvers ;-) Hey up Dave. Not really sure what your trying to say here bud? The water quality at knotsford, I am sure is pretty good bud and there does seem to be an abundance of weed and so I would have thought a large amount of natural food. I for one would think that this would support a large healthy population of silver fish and I know for certain this was the case in the years passed. However recently this does not seem the case. There appears to be very small numbers of silver fish now present or other small fish for that matter. I myself have tried to target them with no success and have also spoken to others and they have caught nothing. Surely we cannot all be that crap? IMHO I do believe there is problem at knotsfords and I don't profess to know what it is, however I do feel it warrants further investigation. Obviously from the previous photos the pike do seem to be suffering, would you not agree? I think if the club was to look into this matter now, when it is being brought to their attention by its members, and not leave the issue unattended, then they might be able to sort it without it becoming worse? I think it would be a shame to let a cracking natural venue like this go down hill, until it just contains a handful of overweight carp being fished for by the same half a dozen anglers. Very well put and i totally agree it needs investigating before it is too late |
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binner
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Post by binner on May 8, 2014 12:41:47 GMT
i attended a meeting with the ea last year and a similar issue was brought up about the rivers,
silver fish do not thrive well in gin clear water as it offers no protection to predators plus i beleve other issues.
on the rivers the silver fish population is been driven further and further down stream and been replaced by trout, this coincides with water quality improvements meaning cleaner, clearer water. all brought about by EU regulations.
just look at cold heindley res, in the 70's and 80's it was solid with fish. now its gin clear and would seem to be bare of small silver fish. on its banks sits a sewerage works, no doubt at some point this would discharge some amount of dirty water into the res, no though with tighter regs the water is drinkable.
land water run off has also been efffected by EU regs, lots of stuff the farms used that ran off the land are now banned,
i feel all these things make waters much clearer, is it just coincidence? then chuck in the cormarents and otters, easy pickings in clear water
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Post by grford77 on May 8, 2014 13:08:14 GMT
i attended a meeting with the ea last year and a similar issue was brought up about the rivers, silver fish do not thrive well in gin clear water as it offers no protection to predators plus i beleve other issues. on the rivers the silver fish population is been driven further and further down stream and been replaced by trout, this coincides with water quality improvements meaning cleaner, clearer water. all brought about by EU regulations. just look at cold heindley res, in the 70's and 80's it was solid with fish. now its gin clear and would seem to be bare of small silver fish. on its banks sits a sewerage works, no doubt at some point this would discharge some amount of dirty water into the res, no though with tighter regs the water is drinkable. land water run off has also been efffected by EU regs, lots of stuff the farms used that ran off the land are now banned, i feel all these things make waters much clearer, is it just coincidence? then chuck in the cormarents and otters, easy pickings in clear water Fair enough Dave, fair points. However in your opinion then, should the club just leave it alone? There is also masses of weed present in the lake - would this not offer protection to the smaller fish? |
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binner
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Post by binner on May 8, 2014 13:12:08 GMT
just my thoughts and observations glen and bits of info i have picked up.
it just winds me up when people jump straight onto clubs without looking at the bigger picture
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Post by grford77 on May 8, 2014 14:23:11 GMT
just my thoughts and observations glen and bits of info i have picked up. it just winds me up when people jump straight onto clubs without looking at the bigger picture Fair do's Dave. Unfortunately bud, this club has previous history of doing bugger all, I think thats why people give them a hard time mate. This issue/problem will be exactly the same - nothing will be done and it will be left to deteriorate. Shame really.  |
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Post by jgpark on May 8, 2014 15:03:29 GMT
While you all argue about it the club who do's bugger all and the officials who do bugger all are currently seeking advise as to the way forward, ie do we/you have a problem with the water if so what can be done, if anything. We don't have to be posting on here to be taking note and acting where and if possible. No doubt this will get me more abuse but what the hell, I do bugger all for the club.
Regards
Graham
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Post by rushy on May 8, 2014 15:10:19 GMT
just my thoughts and observations glen and bits of info i have picked up. it just winds me up when people jump straight onto clubs without looking at the bigger picture Fair do's Dave. Unfortunately bud, this club has previous history of doing bugger all, I think thats why people give them a hard time mate. This issue/problem will be exactly the same - nothing will be done and it will be left to deteriorate. Shame really. Hi Glen I suppose with Pike being predators and relying on other fish to be present to survive and flourish, then at least the club have a clear cut decision to make. Put some fish in for the Pike to eat or let the Pike die and accept this will no longer be a Pike water  |
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Post by gazzab78 on May 8, 2014 16:40:17 GMT
While you all argue about it the club who do's bugger all and the officials who do bugger all are currently seeking advise as to the way forward, ie do we/you have a problem with the water if so what can be done, if anything. We don't have to be posting on here to be taking note and acting where and if possible. No doubt this will get me more abuse but what the hell, I do bugger all for the club. Regards Graham Graham, We all appreciated the work that people do within the club. Without you guys the club wouldn't run yet without us members the club would not exist. However the perception amongst a lot of the members is that the club does bugger all. The reason, communication. That is in my mind and other's the committee's biggest problem, or more to the point, lack of communication. I fully respect that it is impossible to inform or indeed feasible for every decision to be aired to the masses. However you have a tool in this forum, use it. Tell us the clubs plans rather than the odd comment such as "the club are looking in it" etc. Any information could then be passed, by the members who have access to the site onto the members that don't. By openly communicating and airing the clubs plans, telling us what is been looked into, how issues raised maybe sorted etc would be appreciated by the majority of the members. Therefore altering the perception that the club does bugger all. It's not a dig, or a pop at anyone. |
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Post by winter55 on May 8, 2014 18:54:03 GMT
While you all argue about it the club who do's bugger all and the officials who do bugger all are currently seeking advise as to the way forward, ie do we/you have a problem with the water if so what can be done, if anything. We don't have to be posting on here to be taking note and acting where and if possible. No doubt this will get me more abuse but what the hell, I do bugger all for the club. Regards Graham Graham, We all appreciated the work that people do within the club. Without you guys the club wouldn't run yet without us members the club would not exist. However the perception amongst a lot of the members is that the club does bugger all. The reason, communication. That is in my mind and other's the committee's biggest problem, or more to the point, lack of communication. I fully respect that it is impossible to inform or indeed feasible for every decision to be aired to the masses. However you have a tool in this forum, use it. Tell us the clubs plans rather than the odd comment such as "the club are looking in it" etc. Any information could then be passed, by the members who have access to the site onto the members that don't. By openly communicating and airing the clubs plans, telling us what is been looked into, how issues raised maybe sorted etc would be appreciated by the majority of the members. Therefore altering the perception that the club does bugger all. It's not a dig, or a pop at anyone. |
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Post by winter55 on May 8, 2014 18:55:29 GMT
Well put sir !
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