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Post by kevrich on Jan 11, 2008 9:49:04 GMT
The incidents with the locks what i heard, was to do with damaging the locks with superglue and wrapping fishing line around them etc.
But that doesn't mean it will happen at Wintersett! Gates + locks would be a good start and then deal with problems if they arise.
Certainly would make any work you guys are prepared to do to improve access, worthwhile.
Hope to see you in the spring.
Kev
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Post by frim on Jan 11, 2008 15:05:06 GMT
I attended last nights GP committee meeting, as promised i put all your questions forward, in attendance were the president, general secretary, a number of trustees and ten other GP members. As you will be aware content of meetings are usually private, and for a first time i have been given a free hand to answer any further questions. Correspondence between the society and british coal was read out, a deal had been set with b/c estate surveyor to errect gates as suggested by us, the price from b/c £2300+vat of which we were to pay half! all work could only be carried out by them due to planning, health and safety etc etc etc, plans were put forward to go ahead! We have recieved a letter back stating that since dealing with the estate surveyor the land managment dept of british coal no longer exist's and all matters have been put through the private sector, a firm of solictors!! the only thing british coal want from us is the rent! any future work except for maintenance of stands can only be carried out with permission from their solictors' talk about pulling teeth' stands at sandwath lake are been repaired at the moment, and wintersett is next on the list, most of the meeting was spent discussing wintersett and a way round the problems, we left the meeting feeling like our hands are tied.I know this will get one hell of a response so fire away. regards frim
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Post by gedthespread on Jan 11, 2008 16:21:06 GMT
theres not really a lot that anybody can say to that frim,does this mean that the fishery is owned by uk coal or someone else i.e has it been passed over to wakefield council or what,im not able to understand what going on from that,and im not the only one,bit more clarity would be appreciated
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Post by az on Jan 11, 2008 17:25:44 GMT
frim, can you please tell us if there is to be gates on wintersett before april 1st 2008?
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Post by frim on Jan 11, 2008 19:35:09 GMT
ged-az. ownership remains british coal, all land managment matters must now go through there appointed solicitors, the only contact b/c want from us is to collect rent! b/c call it a managment handover, i'd call it a balls-up! the society have spent months of hard work wheeler dealing with a b/c department that no longer exist's. gates will only be erected if the solicitors get there fingers out and reply to the society's letters, frim
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Post by az on Jan 11, 2008 21:56:59 GMT
I agree balls up, total lack, frustion all over some poxy gates which can be put up no problem, willing lads, genuine anglers and rule abiding members and a place of sheer beauty left wide open to ruin, its an insult. im so annoyed and wish ive never seen the place.
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Post by gedthespread on Jan 12, 2008 15:17:33 GMT
solicitors would soon get fingers out if a bunch of gippos set up camp
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Post by gary on Jan 14, 2008 23:51:06 GMT
Frim Thanks for taking the trouble to find this out and then post it on here.But I would still like an answer to a couple of other questions that I asked earlier,ie what have the club done to improve this venue,has there been any sort of stocking since Leeds took over,and why do the people who run the Heronry think that they have a say in where anglers take there vehicles and where they decide to fish?. Another thing that concerns me is that I have been told by a non fishing person that he witnessed electro fishing in Wintersett in Oct 2006,and these fish were being transported away in a profesional manner, ie, a large tank on a suitable vehicle .Does anyone in the club know anything about this?,and after reading about the intended transfer of pike from Sandwath is the removal of fish from society waters common practice?. If it is true that fish were removed from Wintersett it will explain the poor condition of Pike that have been caught in '07,and the fact that I dont know anyone who has caught a roach in Wintersett in 07,(plenty still in Botany and Cold Hiendly!!).
As Ged has mentioned Botany is at its usual winter level now,but as soon as we have a dry period the water is going to drop pretty quickly judging by the amount of water flowing through the dam wall,if this cannot be fixed this will mean the death of Botany as one of the best venues in the area. I suggest the club get in touch with UK Coals solicitors and treat this matter with some urgency,if we have another summer like last year and the water continues to force its way through the dam wall I can see the hole getting bigger and undermining the road. Will somebody come and have a look at this. People reading this may be under the impression that it is only Ged, Az and myself that are being vocal about our concerns for the whole of the Wintersett complex,but speaking to most of the other anglers who use it they feel the same,its the fact that some of them don't have internet access that they are unable to express their own concerns. Once again I look forward to a reply.
Gary
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Post by frim on Jan 15, 2008 14:07:31 GMT
gary i,ll ask the questions and let you know frim
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Post by gedthespread on Jan 15, 2008 14:54:17 GMT
just to reiterate the need for gate,we have two tipperloads of tree waste and a dead dog !
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Post by frim on Jan 16, 2008 22:40:26 GMT
gary, this bits official then i'll give my slant on things, the heronry has no say on angling at all, there has never been an official stocking by leeds, and there has never been an official netting by leeds, and if the e.a wish to do any netting on our waters then they must ask permission and they hav'nt. the moving of fish from one venue to another is not policy unless from one of our stockponds, the pike removal from sandwath looks like getting shelved."so they did listen". as tennants we are responsible for angling and anglers only, it is the landlords who are responsible for gates, entrys, roads and footpaths. the offer to pay half towards a gate 1500 quid was a gesture of goodwill! now for my bit! if you rented a house and the roof blew off, the tennant does'nt pay the landlord does! how leeds can be held responsible for a load of nutters in 4x4s or burnt out cars is beyond me, if the problem was in or around the heronry the bloody coal board would be on its case no problem, i've spent all day at the venue today one part with my car stuck in a rut on half moon the other in a cosy carpark at the heronry, if your not a twitcher or hiker they dont give a toss, anglers country park"there having a laugh" if it were up to me and and the coal board refused to do the work for which they are liable before the start of the season, i'd tell em to stick it. a wet and muddy frim.
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Post by kevrich on Jan 17, 2008 8:22:46 GMT
Well done Frim for getting yourself down there and having a look, the place has got great potential, which uk coal seem to not want to develop.
Doesn't make sense does it, should be as simple as, they fit new gates the club volunteers improve the roads etc, which like Frim says isn't the clubs responsibility, more people fish it, more books sold, ukcoal increase rents to get their money back, everyones a winner!
Anyone want to send a letter with their views, here's the address. It is on my list of things to do.
Eddie Peat Estates Director UK COAL Head Office Harworth Park Blyth Road Harworth Doncaster South Yorkshire DN11 8DB
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Post by az on Jan 17, 2008 19:56:54 GMT
frim, many thanks for taking the time to come down and to the commitee for trying with u.k.coal, you know that we only want the best for wintersett and are trying to help out both manually by carrying out work and by trying to express our views on this website, of course we only want the best for fellow members, club and water. But what gets to me is the fact that wintersett is going to be left how it is now, left in ruin so the paying member cant gain access, it is by far the most intresting stillwater for the unexpected that you have to offer in your year book and its not on to let it be like it is, i must be mad but i have got contacts ready for a j.c.b, and wasnt affraid to put my hand in my pocket to chip in if the gates got sorted, i do have a question though, surely a gate could be put up like the one at sandwath as a deterant it could go next to the notice board by the spoil heap and in line with the trench to stop the off roaders getting around the half moon, it doesnt have to be locked for now and if u.k coal had somthing negative to say about it when seen, then our commitee could stand and say you have brought us as a club to do it for our paying members and all the new ones that we gained from making access good and bringing wintersett back from death as a fishery. if i was honest i dont think u.k.coal would bat an eyelid and would welcome it, i dont wont to offend any one on the board im simply offering a hand and expressing my view.
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Post by gary on Jan 17, 2008 20:35:39 GMT
Frim Thanks for the candid reply,its a pity your trip was a short notice one,would have been nice to arrange a meeting with you and talk over a few things as well as point out some of the problems, Did you find the place where the water is forcing itself through on the Botany/Wintersett dam?. If you take 5 foot off the level as it is today that is the level it will return to when we have no rain. Thanks again Gary
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Post by frim on Jan 17, 2008 22:43:21 GMT
Got photo's sent to stan via email, bottony stays like that, and the road will be the next problem! frim
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